Navigating Politics: Misinformation, Racism, and Civic Engagement in the 2024 Election

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And if you didn't vote, you

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Don't even show up tonight, but

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Can't do nothing because

this is your one day.

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To show and exercise your citizenship

here in the United States.

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So make sure that you go out and vote.

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It's the most important

thing that you can do.

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And it's an important

thing for our democracy.

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We'll discuss race and how it plays

a factor and how we didn't even talk

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about this topic because we were afraid.

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BEP Narrator: A black

executive perspective.

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Tony Tidbit: Welcome to a black executive

perspective podcast, the safe space where

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we discuss all matters related to race,

especially race in corporate America.

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I'm your

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Chris P. Reed: host, Tony Tidbit.

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And I'm your cohost, Chris P.

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Reed.

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And today we want you to check

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So my partners in crime, Chris P.

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Reed and the Dr.

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Nsenga Burton, our contributor

on Need to Know each Thursday.

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And I will delve into crucial discussion

on the upcoming presidential election.

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So we're going to dive into it.

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We're going to scrutinize the major

issues, the policies at stake.

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We're going to cover the defining

platforms of both candidates and evaluate

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their impact across various demographics.

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More importantly, we'll examine the

complexities of voter engagement and the

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controversies influencing the political

landscape and discuss the broader

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implications of the election results.

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Dr.

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Nsenga Burton, Chris P.

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Reed, welcome to a Black

Executive Perspective Podcast.

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You guys ready to talk about this or what?

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We are.

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Yeah,

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you just smiling doctor, Dr.

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Dr.

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Burton let's go.

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I can't wait.

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, she talking about the bit.

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I could tell it's gonna

be some trouble though.

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Look, she, she ain't never lost

for, she ain't never lost she words.

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Right.

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So I was thrown up.

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I was like, what?

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She ain't saying nothing, right?

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She just smiling.

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She herself,

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Chris P. Reed: she came subtle.

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She's subtle like a bankrupt.

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Okay.

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Alright, so you

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Tony Tidbit: I love it.

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Alright, so.

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Threw, threw me off big time.

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Okay.

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So you guys ready to talk about it?

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Let's talk about it.

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So, Dr.

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Burton, I'm gonna go right to you, right?

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My question is, what are the key

issues at stake in this election

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based on your perspective?

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Well, I think

the key issues at stake one, uh.

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The biggest issue as it relates

to the entire election is

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misinformation and disinformation.

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Um, I think that there's so many

conspiracy theories floating around about

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so many different things that it's hard

for people to parse, uh, between them

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and to figure out what's true and what's

accurate and what's right and what's wrong

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and who's doing what and what have you.

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So I think that's a major issue

that's impacting, um, this

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campaign, uh, uh, on both sides.

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I think some of it's being, uh, trumpeted

by, uh, one particular side more so

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than, um, By the way, I'll just say

the Republicans, um, that are running

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for office, not all Republicans,

just the ones that are running for

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office for this particular office.

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Uh, and that is a major problem.

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I think another issue is women's rights.

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Um, obviously, uh, you know, the threat

of a federal abortion ban, you know,

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against abortion period, uh, with no

exceptions, no exceptions to the rule.

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And we've already seen, um, several

cases where that, you know, That plays

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out and where people, uh, particularly

black women in the two most high

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profile cases have lost their lives,

um, because of their lack of access to,

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uh, abortion and, uh, to follow up care.

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Um, so I think that that's a major issue.

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Um, I think the economy is a major issue.

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Um, we've added a lot of jobs this year.

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This last quarter, which is good.

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Um, and so it seems like it's going in

the right direction, but with some of

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the, uh, ideas that are being kicked

around by both parties, you know, I

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guess, depending on where you where

you stand, it can be problematic in

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terms of are we going to go backwards?

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Are we going to hit?

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Truly in a different direction.

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If we have one candidate, are we

going to continue on this path?

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And is it really good for us if we

continue with the same party in office?

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So I think those are the major issues.

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Oh, and then, of course, immigration,

but we can talk about that later.

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Immigration is, I think, a

defining issue, particularly as

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much space as it has claimed.

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So I'll stop.

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Tony Tidbit: Okay.

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I mean, you covered a lot my

girls, to be honest with you.

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I was, I was thinking that the

immigration, but then I was like,

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did she, and then you, Oh no.

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And immigration.

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I was like, she got them all.

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Okay.

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So Chris P.

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Reed,

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Chris P. Reed: what's

your thoughts, my brother?

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I think that as opposed to

misinformation, it's just pure education.

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So when you look at basic blocking

and tackling grade school, you earn,

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you learn about, Politics or the

government in three forms, legislative,

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executive and judicial, right?

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And so a lot of people tend to

the key is, or the game is to make

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you forget about that and make you

think that the macro presidency

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is all powerful, all encompassing.

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So, what happens is Barack Obama is

running and don't worry, even if he wins,

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he can't do anything because there's so

many different layers and levels and and

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puts and calls that you have to make in

order to make effective policy change.

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Donald Trump is running.

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He can magically wand change

everything because the president

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has, you know, innumerable powers

to be, you know, exonerated man.

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So, so the issue is when you look at

the executive, you know, uh, thing

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is your mayors, your governors, your

presidents, then you got your judges on

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the judicial side, which is appointed,

which can be appointed, which he did that

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with the Supreme Court justices, right?

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Which led to certain things from a

judicial perspective, which is Congress,

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City Council, blah, blah, blah.

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Those are shorter terms,

but we don't focus on that.

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Everybody thinks that politics and

election cycles are presidential.

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And we've been duped to believe that it's

a one time, end all, be all, every four

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years, like a leap year type situation.

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I don't have to worry about any

of this stuff for four more years,

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and that's where we lose our way.

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I think that those, that miseducation,

or that misinformation, or the lack of

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design or desire by the people, that's To

really understand the power that they have

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is part of the issue that we run into.

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Now, obviously a political party is

different than a, a special interest

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group, but for whatever reason the

GOP has melded that dynamic into one

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consolidated deal where you have special

interest group, uh, uh, affinities

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being presented as political platforms.

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And that's why it's so confusing

is because they're hodgepodge

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and all this stuff together.

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And you don't know where

you're coming or going.

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So, basically, you cover your

eyes and select somebody and

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that's what they want, right?

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You know what I'm saying?

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I mean, I'm simplifying the hell out

of it just for the sake of making

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sure we meet people where they are,

but that's ultimately the game.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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Let me ask you guys both a follow up

question and I'm going to go back to Dr.

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Burton because you, you laid

out the, the issues at stake.

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And then Chris, you took it to

another level in terms of the

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American people, lack of information,

a lack of more ignorance in terms

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of how the political system works.

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Right.

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So Dr.

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Burton, you talked about.

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Um, you said, um, a

woman's right to choose.

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You said the economy.

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You also said misinformation.

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Um, you said immigration.

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Um, this, so, and you said

something else, but I, I forgot.

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But let me ask you this.

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Going back to Chris's point, a lot

of people, unfortunately, because

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they're not educated really on how

the president's, it CEO position.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And understanding that the United

States, if we had to make it in

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simplistic terms from a Navy, from a,

from a ship standpoint, it's like, I

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don't want to use the word tight, but

it's a big, it's an aircraft carrier.

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Let's look at it like that, right?

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Where at the end of the day, for it to

make any moves, to do anything right

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or left, or anything that happens,

it takes time for those things to

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actually, those policies that may

be put in place, may not show up.

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for three, four years

later down the road, right?

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So, so when we talk about misinformation

and then I'm going to dovetail it to

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education, a lot of people think in

Chris's point of view, at least from

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Donald Trump's supporters, that he's

going to come in and he's going to

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make, he's going to do a couple moves

in the economy is going to be great.

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He's going to do a couple moves in

the war in Ukraine is going to end.

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He's going to do a couple moves and,

um, um, you know, immigration, you

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know, he said he's going to come in and

he's, it's the second day he's going

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to deport 15 million people, right?

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Which we know he can't do, right?

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We know if we, if we back up, he inherited

when back in: 2016

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inherited an economy from Barack Obama.

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Okay?

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See, nobody wants to

talk about that, right?

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But he has people thinking

that he came and fixed an

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economy, which he didn't, right?

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And that's not, look, let's be fair.

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Presidents and me and Chris, you and I

talked about this a few weeks ago, right?

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When you get in the seat.

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Whatever happens on your watch, you either

take credit for or you get the blame for.

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Okay.

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And so at the end of the day, there's not

a lot that you can do immediately, right?

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Cause what's going to happen, whatever

policies you in, you institute

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are going to show up later because

again, this is an aircraft carrier.

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This is the Titanic.

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It takes a lot.

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Nobody can snap a finger

and things change.

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So Dr.

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Burton talk a little bit about.

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The educational process, because

there's going to be people who

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are going to go cast a vote.

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And we want to make sure that they

understand, regardless of who they vote

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for, but they understand that the person

that they're going to vote for, and

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it may be a certain policy or platform

that's important to them, but just

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recognize how the system actually works.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Yeah, that's

a great point that you're

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raising and that Chris raised.

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Uh, it is really, um,

disheartening to see how,

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Ill informed so many of us are because

we spend a lot of time on civics in the

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public school system And actually in

the private school system, too We call

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the civics, you know history things of

that nature and that's where you learn

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about the branches of government and the

branches of government are really supposed

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to be checks and balances right and the

press is the next you know fourth estate

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because it's the checks and balances

of the Three branches of government.

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So you don't have to go to college

to know that you don't actually

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even have to make it to high school.

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All you have to do is pay attention

in elementary and middle school and

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you should know that information.

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You should also know how

a bill becomes a law.

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So we had schoolhouse

rock, just a little bit.

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I was just about to,

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Tony Tidbit: I got some milk,

I'm only a hill, and I'm

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sitting here on Capitol Hill.

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Yeah, that was our stuff.

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I still

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: remember,

that was our stuff.

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Yes, yes, so we, we had that kind of

programming too, and there weren't like

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a billion channels and stuff like that.

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So it was just a different time,

so we can romanticize it or

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whatever, but, um, somebody would

call me revisionist, because.

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It was so far away.

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It was so far removed.

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But what I'm saying was there was a

time when we were intentionally teaching

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about civics when we were, when it

was reinforced in our programming,

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um, when I, you know, and it was

children's programming and it was made

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for kids and things of that nature.

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It's a different day.

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Like that's just not happening.

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Um, and a lot of people are just

not paying attention, but I think a

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lot of people, um, are engaging what

we call willful ignorance, right?

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Because the minute that Chris said, you

know, the three branches of government

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immediately I went back to Ms.

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Mack.

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Immediately, right.

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I went back to Ms.

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Mac.

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Chris P. Reed: Right, right, right.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Um, you know,

I, I, I remembered her specifically

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and how she taught us that.

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Um, so I think people are engaging

in willful ignorance 'cause, because

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they are being driven by other things.

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Right.

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And so maybe it's xenophobia, if you

think about immigration, maybe it's,

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uh, sexism, if you think about this

assault or is this attack on women's

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rights to their full, uh, healthcare.

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Right.

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Their whole healthcare.

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Um.

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Uh, their bodies, uh, there are

other things that are really driving

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this, what I call willful ignorance

and people don't want to admit it.

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Right.

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So they're like, Oh, I'm going to

vote for Trump for the economy.

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No, you gotta vote for Trump.

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Cause you don't like immigrants.

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Cause you think they took your job that

you didn't go and try to get anyway.

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Tony Tidbit: Right.

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Right.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Cause you've

been inheriting jobs for 400 years.

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Sorry, Tony.

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Tony Tidbit: No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Inheritance

in jobs for 40 years.

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Now you got to compete for your

job and you're pissed about it.

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Cause now you're in a generation that

actually has to compete for the job and

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didn't inherit the job and didn't have,

you know, and you have competition because

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people before you didn't have competition

because there were laws in the books that

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discriminated against whole populations

of people, whether it's blacks, you

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know, Catholics just fill in the blank.

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Right.

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Just fill in the blank.

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So now you're mad because you got,

this is my personal opinion because

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you got to do what the rest of us have

been doing and that is compete for the

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job and get it or maybe not get it.

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That's kind of what happens.

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Compete for the spot.

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Maybe you get it.

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Maybe you don't.

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Maybe the service takes you.

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Maybe they don't.

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You got to show up though.

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Right.

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Right.

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Um, and so I think a lot of

things are driving others.

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Other things, ideological things.

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belief systems are driving, um, this

willful ignorance, um, that is leading

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to disinformation, which is a campaign

to intentionally spread misinformation

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in order to confuse people, which is

what Chris is talking about, right?

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And to get them away from the basic

tenets of government, how it works, right?

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Who the president is, what

their role is, what their reach

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is, even the vice president.

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I mean, we've seen that with Kamala,

you know, them blaming everything on

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her over the last, you know, four years.

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And we're like, I'm like, so can you,

you know, just tell me, um, what the

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last vice president, what it might be.

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What, what vice president

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Tony Tidbit: writes?

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Yeah.

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What vice president writes policy.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Right.

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Right.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm confused.

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I'm still waiting.

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I mean, you know, it doesn't

matter which party, but I just

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want you to name something.

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Exactly.

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I mean, Al Gore says he

invented the internet.

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Right.

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So, um, And that's a joke, people.

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It's a joke.

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It's a joke.

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But, you know, I'm like, seriously,

when you're a vice president, your job

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is to support the president and their

policies and to help him, her, hopefully

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her one day to enact those policies,

um, in the way that they see fit.

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And that has to happen by going through

Congress and all kinds of things.

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Right.

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And then we have state governments,

which nobody wants to talk about either.

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Right.

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Right.

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So.

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Um, I think that is the, the, the thing

that we have to talk about, right?

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What is it that is driving people so

forcefully such that they are just

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unwilling to pay attention to what

the reality is of these offices.

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Chris P. Reed: Right?

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What does

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: it mean, you

know, uh, why, like, why, why would

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you vote against your own interests?

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Right?

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Right, right.

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If you are a pro immigration,

why are you voting?

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Then why are you voting for Trump?

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It might be because you're a sexist.

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It might be right.

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Or maybe you like one of those

people close the door behind you.

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Right.

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Right.

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And as an immigrant, you don't need

no more, you know, that kind of stuff.

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Cause your mindset changes, right?

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Just admit what it is, but stop pretending

that you actually know something, um,

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um, that you don't know and stop hiding

behind these conspiracy theories.

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And I would say these political

parties and really say what

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it is that is driving you.

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Tony Tidbit: Chris, what,

uh, piggyback on that.

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So what do you think?

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What do you think?

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Based on what Dr.

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Burton just got for just saying that,

at the end of the day, people talk,

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they can talk policies, they can

talk, I believe in this, I believe

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in that, but do you believe net net?

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They're voting more for a society type

thing was a grievance that they may

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they've done with these candidates.

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Chris P. Reed: I believe that people

don't know or understand the concept of

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voting and the power that voting has.

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And so one thing I will say before we

get too far away from this, I am of

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the opinion that the vice presidency

symbolizes, uh, business continuity

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and strength, another layer of

support in case something does and

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has happened to presidents in past.

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Right.

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You know, both Lincoln and Kennedy had

VPs named Johnson that came in and took

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the helm after they were assassinated.

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Those type of deals.

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Not that this is going to be that at all.

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I'm not casting any spells, but the

moral of the story is that's the the

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vice president has to stay at the ready.

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To take the helm with confidence

and show global confidence.

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And that's the biggest Burton

that the vice president holds.

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And that's why I give them so much

grace in the background where they

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don't need to be all in the camera

and doing all this and all that,

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because they getting ready constantly.

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So, that's number 1, but the other thing,

Tony, is that, um, I believe that people

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are now lemons in the idea of just,

uh, unfortunately, we should have life.

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I'm sorry, art imitating life and

because of reality TV and sensationalism

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and, and it's been like that since,

you know, the early newspaper,

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we did this in Wilmington's lie.

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Right?

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Uh, people tend to have

a life imitating art.

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Somebody comes up with something

and you see it and you think,

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oh, that could happen here.

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That could be this.

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You're not doing the math at all.

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And so a lot of people don't do the math.

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They don't know.

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Like Dr burton said, they don't know the

specifics of why they're doing things.

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They make it an emotional push.

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But they don't realize the trickle

down effect of an emotional

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immediate decision as it cascades.

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And the reason why this checks and

balance is not working as constructed

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is because you have a candidate that

threatens people verbally and openly

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if they don't abide by what he feels

they should be doing, even though he

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has no prerequisite understanding.

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Of their roles or their jobs, even though

he has no backing, no education, no frame

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of reference as to how that should work.

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It's so many generals and, and, uh,

high profile people who have come on

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and said, this person is absolutely

incompetent to lead me and the

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division of people in which I lead yet.

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It's entertaining to see

this drama play out on TV.

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If people really do believe it's a reality

show, so, so that is, that is the, the,

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the, the hardest part as a historian.

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The one thing I'll say here at this point.

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Some the hypocrisy we I know we

don't have time to get into that.

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And I know that's one of her.

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I know that's one of your pet peeves.

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Dr.

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The hypocrisy is outrageous.

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But the concept of I'm all

about the Constitution until

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it's not fitting my needs.

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And then we need to change things

and be progressive when I got George

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Washington had a quote where he said,

um, the common and continual mischiefs

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of the spirit of a party serves

always to distract the public council.

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So And in feeble, the public

administration, he was against

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parties because he knew

this kind of stuff happens.

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And what a lot of people don't

realize at this point in time is

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there are dozens of other parties.

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There's libertarians, there's tea

parties, there's green parties,

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there's there's been other parties,

and if they get 5 percent vote,

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they can get federal funding.

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But the desire for control a party's

design is to control the government.

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This is not about you and me and her and

rights and this, this is about control.

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Let's just keep it above.

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This is about people trying to

figure out how to manipulate and

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stranglehold the control of the U.

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S.

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budget, the U.

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S.

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power, the U.

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S.

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interest rate.

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As they see fit.

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Tony Tidbit: So, and, and, buddy, I

mean, you guys, what you've been doing

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all day, you guys have been pent up.

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Coming on strong.

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All right.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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So, I, I want to come back to that

because I, I, I want to, let's put

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a pin in that because I want to

come back to your last statement.

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Let's go here.

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So, Dr.

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Burton, I'm going to go back to you.

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All right.

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I know you're ready.

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Okay.

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So how does this election compare

to the previous one in terms of the

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importance and the public interest in it?

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What's your thoughts?

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This

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: election is

important because this next person

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is going to probably appoint, um,

one to two Supreme Court justices.

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They also are going to have the

ability to put justices, um, uh, judges

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in different, um, um, categories.

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Tony Tidbit: At the federal

Supreme Court level.

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At different levels, thank you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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At different levels.

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Um, um, some

of them are lifetime appointments.

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You know, the Supreme Court doesn't

only have lifetime appointments.

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Um, and so I think that's what, what was

important about the last election and

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what's important about this election.

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I also think that, um, this election

is important because we have to,

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it's kind of a test to see how far

you can go with misinformation and

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disinformation and when on the election.

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You know, that is this important

because even though, you know, we

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know the president doesn't work alone.

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Um, you know, the United States

president is considered the most

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powerful office in the land.

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Right?

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And so that is going to communicate,

you know, across the waters, you

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know, what kind of country we are,

what we're made of and who we are.

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The majority of us, anyway, who

participate in the voting process.

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Um, All right, so I think

that that's important.

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And I think the same thing that

was with the last election election

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before that is the electoral college.

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Um, you know, does it really fit?

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You know, when we think about the

Constitution, does it still fit it?

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It really doesn't.

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I mean, can you win the popular

vote and still lose the election?

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Yes, we've seen it before.

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We could see it again.

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Um, and is that really reflective of what

we say we are as a country where every

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person, you know, each person, one vote?

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So, um, I think those are the

things that are on the ballot.

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Um, and then of course, women's rights,

which I, which I've said before,

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you know, are we going to be okay?

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Um, Going backwards when we

know what that looks like.

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We have the history.

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We have the data, uh, to show

that it was awful for women.

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It was awful for whole families.

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It wasn't just the women.

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It was their Children.

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It was their spouses.

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It was all things.

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: 00:22:48

Um, but it was awful.

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Um, but are we going to go back to that?

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: 00:22:51

And if so, then what does

this nation look like?

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You know, I mean, when other nations, I

mean, Ireland has a lot of You know, like,

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and it's a very, very Roman Catholic,

um, but you know, can't ever foresee

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what people need in terms of health.

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Um, and to just have that one thing,

um, and not to minimize it, you

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know, cause I know people feel very

strongly about it, but to have that

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one thing in terms of the whole

comprehensive, um, um, idea of women's

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health or reality of women's health.

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That's what I meant.

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Reality of women's health.

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Um, to have that one thing, making

that determination and how it

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affects women in so many different

ways, um, and families is, is nuts.

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So I think those are the things

that we should have been thinking

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about in the last election.

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Um, and things that we should be thinking

about in this particular election,

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because that is what's on the ballot.

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Our future is on the ballot.

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Chris P. Reed: Right, right.

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Chris, same question.

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Um, I think that, you know, one of

the things that's on display here

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is what America we are, right?

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And so the concept of I used to

really fear as an educated person,

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the things that could be done in

anonymity, like the electoral college,

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you don't have a checks and balance.

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We talked about, she brought it

up, you know, that Burton brought

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it up to checks and balance.

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Well, that operating in the

background, Donald Trump has

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never won the public election.

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Just keep that in mind.

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You need a popular vote.

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Popular popular election.

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So the anonymity that the

electoral college can move

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in is very suspicious of me.

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But now we add on to the fact that the

transformation of the GOP audaciously,

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it's not just anonymous anymore.

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They audaciously say whatever

they want to say and say, I get

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to say whatever I want to say.

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I get to do whatever I

want to do with impunity.

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The danger of switching to a government

that is operating under that auspices.

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Is more pivotal to me than anything

else because and we had this show before

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Tony, where you was like, you know,

who he is, you know, how he get down.

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That's just what he's going to do.

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And I'm saying, because you got to

dress for the occasion at some point.

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And we can't just let people

run a month because we know

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that they act to ask sometimes.

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No, this is not the platform for that.

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And we have more and more

people coming at the woodworks.

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Now, the pivotal aspect

of this election is.

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Yeah.

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It is my hope that we can return to

some semblance of civility if this

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man loses and lets it go, caveat, and

lets it go, because I don't believe

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anyone, we haven't had enough time to

cultivate a Junior Trump mentality.

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It's a lot of pretenders out

there that act Trump is, but

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it's hard to be that foolish.

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You know what I'm saying?

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In a short amount of time

in your adulthood, right?

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It's

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: hard

to live in Georgia.

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So get married, you know, Taylor green

down Marjorie Taylor green down here.

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Chris P. Reed: So, okay.

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You're right.

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You're right.

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: 00:25:39

I just saw something.

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: 00:25:41

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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: 00:25:43

No, they close.

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But go ahead.

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Chris.

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But the idea of that type of.

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Of ignorance or that type of

proliferation of misinformation or once

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again, xenophobia, like some of the

things that he rides out with is the

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worst part of any society, not just

ours, any society doesn't want that.

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And that's some of his, it's not,

I'm not gonna say it's a platform

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because that's irresponsible to

say, but if you start listening.

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There's nothing that says

presidential or classic political U.

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S.

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political structure about the

things that he represents.

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And once again, if you understand

enough, you realize these are interest

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group type of dynamics as opposed to

political party, bringing the country

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together, galvanizing the citizens.

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He's segmenting and separating

every chance he gets.

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And now we have a divided line.

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I'm not gonna go so far as to say

civil war, but we have a dividing

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line to where this is going

to show which team you're on,

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Tony Tidbit: right?

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Right.

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You know, let, let, so here's the thing.

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Um, and so Chris, I just want to,

I want to pick up, I'm going to,

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I'm going to answer, cause I have

my own thoughts with this question.

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So, but number one is, is this recognize

one thing, um, you know, your crew.

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If you don't have a crew,

then you can't act up.

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But if you have a crew, you can act up.

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: 00:27:06

So in other words, the reason he can

do what he does, because he's got

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a ton of people that's behind him.

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Okay.

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And so you have to go

deeper than just him.

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Okay, because the bottom line is it,

you know, it goes back and see, here's

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the thing, and I'm a historian too,

not on a level you Chris, you Dr.

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Burton, but I just been around long

enough and I remember how things were

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and you know, and I, I've studied

history and the whole nine yards.

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You know, people don't recognize

that when, when John F.

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Kennedy Jr.

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was the president, was the president.

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He was having affairs left and right.

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Okay.

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: 00:27:42

But the, and the press knew about it, but

they would never report on it because they

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felt that that was his personal business.

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: 00:27:50

All right.

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So think about how we

went from: 1960

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I remember what was the dude's name?

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Uh, he was about to run for president,

Gary, uh, whatever his name was.

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And then he Gary Hart.

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Okay.

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And there was just a picture of him and

Donna Rice on a yacht and done finished.

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His career was over.

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Just the look of it in priority was done.

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Okay.

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Cause the country wasn't

dealing with that.

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Now you have somebody that can

say anything they want to say, lie

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repeatedly, repeatedly, put his own

citizens in harm's way by his lies.

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And guess what?

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People accept it.

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You see?

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So how much is that him?

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And how much is that us as a society,

you see, because buddy, I know you,

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you, you, you're like, Whoa, but wait

a minute, because I just talked about,

656

: 00:28:56

and I just gave you small examples.

657

: 00:28:58

I just talked about years ago where

this type of stuff wasn't even, you

658

: 00:29:03

couldn't, but he couldn't run for mailman.

659

: 00:29:07

Okay.

660

: 00:29:07

With that type of stuff.

661

: 00:29:08

Right.

662

: 00:29:09

So I'd love to hear you

guys thoughts on that.

663

: 00:29:12

Chris P. Reed: I'll say this.

664

: 00:29:13

Ronald Reagan was the first

divorce president, right?

665

: 00:29:16

And that big that's because the

rate of divorce had increased.

666

: 00:29:19

And so it could identify more

with people who had marriages that

667

: 00:29:22

just happened to not work out.

668

: 00:29:23

Nancy ended up being a wonderful

woman, God rest her soul.

669

: 00:29:26

Um, but those types of things where I,

America tried to identify its leader

670

: 00:29:30

with its own dirty laundry, its own

encompassing personalities has run amok.

671

: 00:29:35

And the idea of this man had

an affair with a porn star

672

: 00:29:40

while his wife was pregnant.

673

: 00:29:41

That has become public that the

if it was just the affair, if it

674

: 00:29:45

was just a picture on a yacht, I

would be like, Oh, no, no, no, no.

675

: 00:29:48

Tony Tidbit: But Chris, my point

is, this is way worse than that.

676

: 00:29:51

But that's my point though, right?

677

: 00:29:52

It is way worse, but the

people are accepting of it.

678

: 00:29:56

Dr.

679

: 00:29:56

Burton, let me get your thoughts in it.

680

: 00:29:58

Dr. Nsenga Burton: I think that, you

know, you know, former president Trump

681

: 00:30:01

holds a mirror up to society and,

you know, exactly lost the last time

682

: 00:30:06

people were like, Oh, if, you know,

cause it looked like it was going to

683

: 00:30:09

be so close and it was like, Oh, it's

the last gasp, but by these, you know,

684

: 00:30:13

um, racist, white supremacist, sexist,

Patriarchal, xenophobes, anti LGBT.

685

: 00:30:22

This is the last gasp.

686

: 00:30:23

We're getting rid of those people.

687

: 00:30:25

The society is going to

be what we want it to be.

688

: 00:30:27

It's going to look like the real world.

689

: 00:30:29

All the things.

690

: 00:30:30

I remember all the pundits

talking about this.

691

: 00:30:33

And what it did, his election

and the subsequent loss, which

692

: 00:30:38

he lied about repeatedly.

693

: 00:30:40

Is really fuel those very people that

they thought were going to go away

694

: 00:30:44

or were going to die off or whatever.

695

: 00:30:47

And it actually freed those people

who have been quietly like that.

696

: 00:30:52

Right, but they still want a job.

697

: 00:30:54

They still want to live

in a certain neighborhood.

698

: 00:30:56

They still want to go

to a particular church.

699

: 00:30:58

You know, they still want their kids

to play with a certain person's kids

700

: 00:31:01

because that's good for them at work.

701

: 00:31:03

But they've kept all of that, that

those evil and hateful parts of them

702

: 00:31:07

hidden and their thoughts hidden or, you

know, they, they think they have safe.

703

: 00:31:11

What I call people of color, right?

704

: 00:31:13

So Tony, you're great.

705

: 00:31:15

Cause you're a different black guy from

the rest of them, you know, that kind of

706

: 00:31:18

stuff, one black friend, they might adopt.

707

: 00:31:21

We're going to talk about

this to Tony tomorrow.

708

: 00:31:23

They might adopt a black kid,

especially from overseas.

709

: 00:31:27

Right.

710

: 00:31:27

To kind of give these kinds of cues that

they're, they're just like everyone else.

711

: 00:31:31

And then you start talking to

them and listening to them.

712

: 00:31:33

And you're like, wait a damn second.

713

: 00:31:35

I had this experience earlier today.

714

: 00:31:37

I know this for a fact,

this is my experience.

715

: 00:31:40

But I had it today where I was.

716

: 00:31:41

I was like, wait, is this,

so I texted someone, I said,

717

: 00:31:45

is someone so mentally ill?

718

: 00:31:46

You know, like literally just went off the

rails about some conspiracy theory stuff.

719

: 00:31:50

And I was just really shocked by it.

720

: 00:31:52

Um, because the person, you know,

educating all the things, but then

721

: 00:31:54

I realized, oh, that's who she is.

722

: 00:31:57

Tony Tidbit: Really is

723

: 00:31:58

Dr. Nsenga Burton:

hidden it from me, right?

724

: 00:32:00

I don't get down like that, which is

why I was like, I'm about to cut her.

725

: 00:32:04

Is there something else I need to know?

726

: 00:32:06

Because we can't talk no more.

727

: 00:32:08

But, um, yeah, so I think that

he freed those people to really

728

: 00:32:11

embrace what they believe the whole

time would, um, you know, these

729

: 00:32:16

hateful things that empower them.

730

: 00:32:18

Right.

731

: 00:32:18

See, I told you those people weren't

good people, so that's why they

732

: 00:32:21

don't need to have access to jobs.

733

: 00:32:23

That's why they don't need

to have access to education.

734

: 00:32:25

They don't know what to do with it anyway.

735

: 00:32:27

You talk about Ronald Reagan, about when

John Wayne famously said that, you know,

736

: 00:32:32

the natives were sitting over here,

and this is on Indigenous Peoples Day.

737

: 00:32:36

Happy Indigenous Peoples Day to people.

738

: 00:32:38

But the natives were sitting over here

doing nothing with the land, so we

739

: 00:32:41

had to come take it so we could teach

them what they needed to do with it.

740

: 00:32:44

That kind of mentality.

741

: 00:32:46

And I think that's what's shocking, Tony.

742

: 00:32:48

Um, when, especially when you live in a

bubble, because we all live in bubbles,

743

: 00:32:51

nobody wants to talk about that either.

744

: 00:32:53

So like whoever your crew is.

745

: 00:32:55

That's your crew.

746

: 00:32:56

Right.

747

: 00:32:57

Right.

748

: 00:32:57

Right.

749

: 00:32:57

Right.

750

: 00:32:58

That's why you get shocked when you think

your crew is this and then they they're

751

: 00:33:01

like, oh, I'll vote for this person

or I believe this or I believe that or

752

: 00:33:05

I'm against this or I'm against that.

753

: 00:33:06

And you're just like, wait a second.

754

: 00:33:08

I thought you thought we were like,

755

: 00:33:10

Tony Tidbit: that is that's

an excellent, excellent point.

756

: 00:33:14

Excellent point.

757

: 00:33:15

And we've all.

758

: 00:33:16

And listen, I, I'm, I'm American.

759

: 00:33:20

You can vote for anybody

you want to believe, right?

760

: 00:33:22

But to your point, when you look at

people and you think, when you hear them

761

: 00:33:28

and you, and you hear their rhetoric,

and then all of a sudden they say that,

762

: 00:33:33

they say something, and then you look

at them and they actually believe it.

763

: 00:33:38

And you're like, you're not

who I thought you were, right?

764

: 00:33:42

And it's a big, it's

especially these last.

765

: 00:33:45

10 years or so.

766

: 00:33:46

Chris, jump in, buddy.

767

: 00:33:48

Chris P. Reed: I need Dr.

768

: 00:33:49

Burton to give me a vocabulary lesson.

769

: 00:33:52

And so unfortunately I need you to go into

a mind of a woman, a female in the concept

770

: 00:33:59

of how do you convince me that racism

is actually xenophobia when the fact is

771

: 00:34:06

you and your running mate have spouses.

772

: 00:34:11

That are from, that are from, or,

or, or one removed from who are

773

: 00:34:14

immigrants, who are immigrants, and

it's not, so that's not xenophobia.

774

: 00:34:18

Let's just specifically talk

about Donald Trump xenophobia.

775

: 00:34:22

If people don't notice, it's a fear

of foreign people, foreign interest,

776

: 00:34:25

foreign domination, blah, blah, blah.

777

: 00:34:27

Racism is, is his, in his

perspective is black and brown.

778

: 00:34:33

So he's cool.

779

: 00:34:34

He's cool enough to marry a foreigner,

but talks about foreigners like dogs.

780

: 00:34:38

How does she reconcile that in

her own spirit, in her own mind?

781

: 00:34:41

And my husband is constantly talking

about other countries like dogs.

782

: 00:34:46

Yet I'm not from this

country or of this country

783

: 00:34:49

Dr. Nsenga Burton: because anti black

racism is pervasive It's worldwide

784

: 00:34:55

the more you travel even and when you

go to the continent when you go to

785

: 00:34:58

the continent, um, you know I mean,

it's shockingly, uh, uh, present.

786

: 00:35:05

Um, anti black racism is the one

thing that the rest of the world

787

: 00:35:08

has and they have in common.

788

: 00:35:10

And that is why we allow for

789

: 00:35:11

Chris P. Reed: them to call it xenophobia

instead of just calling a spade a spade.

790

: 00:35:14

Ironically.

791

: 00:35:16

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Well, I think

what he's doing, like targeting

792

: 00:35:18

certain groups, like the Haitians.

793

: 00:35:19

Right?

794

: 00:35:19

Because that is racism and

that's xenophobia, right?

795

: 00:35:22

Because they're black.

796

: 00:35:23

So, you know, and I think that people

have a very different idea, even how

797

: 00:35:26

people come over to the United States in

terms of what the policies are, right?

798

: 00:35:30

So, you know, if you are a white or

European, like Melania is, you know,

799

: 00:35:35

white presenting, that's what I'll

say, white presenting immigrant,

800

: 00:35:39

um, then, you know, people are like,

cool, because, you know, you come

801

: 00:35:41

over and until she starts talking,

she looks like, you know, Absolutely.

802

: 00:35:44

Chris P. Reed: She could pass.

803

: 00:35:45

It looks like.

804

: 00:35:46

Sarah Jane.

805

: 00:35:46

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Right.

806

: 00:35:47

But then they're saying, yes, yes.

807

: 00:35:49

And so they went, but when other folks

come over and, um, they look like us,

808

: 00:35:54

black people, or I would say multiracial,

or, you know, like, you know, the young

809

: 00:35:59

people call exoticals or whatever you

want to say, um, all of these things,

810

: 00:36:02

they're like, wait, wait a second.

811

: 00:36:04

This is changing the

look and feel of America.

812

: 00:36:07

This is changing.

813

: 00:36:07

It's moving too far.

814

: 00:36:10

Um, and so what they do is couch it in

terms of, um, People taking things, right?

815

: 00:36:16

Taking things.

816

: 00:36:16

Oh, they come over here and I can't get

any money when I'm down on my luck, but

817

: 00:36:20

they can come over here and get social

security numbers and money and housing

818

: 00:36:23

and food and all this kind of stuff.

819

: 00:36:24

We can't get anything, you

know, which we know is not true.

820

: 00:36:27

I mean, you do have to be on your ass

to get anything in the United States.

821

: 00:36:30

That is true.

822

: 00:36:31

But, um, but, you know, when people are

trying to escape certain situations,

823

: 00:36:37

um, you know, that's not necessarily

true when we think about those things.

824

: 00:36:41

Um, But I'm just saying, when we

think about what they do, right, it's

825

: 00:36:46

like, oh, they're taking your jobs.

826

: 00:36:47

So they don't want to say, oh,

it's because these people are from

827

: 00:36:50

Mexico or from Central America.

828

: 00:36:52

Oh, they're criminals.

829

: 00:36:52

They're coming over here and

killing our people, right?

830

: 00:36:54

You know, like the, the young woman,

unfortunately, who was killed in Georgia

831

: 00:36:57

that they've now made a political issue.

832

: 00:36:59

And, you know, people are like, oh,

they were from out of the country.

833

: 00:37:01

Well, they, the, the killer's

brother worked at UGA.

834

: 00:37:05

So I'm like, well, how do you

get a job at the governor's alma

835

: 00:37:08

mater if he's so anti immigrant?

836

: 00:37:10

It was okay for him to work there.

837

: 00:37:12

As long as he's doing that, but, you

know, if he's not working for you for

838

: 00:37:17

whatever, you know, whatever you want,

um, for whatever fees or whatever, um,

839

: 00:37:22

that you think is desirable for you,

then they have no use and that's just.

840

: 00:37:28

Tony Tidbit: So let me,

let me ask you guys this.

841

: 00:37:30

So what I'm hearing,

842

: 00:37:33

and while I'm listening to both

of you, I'm, you know, I'm, I'm,

843

: 00:37:37

uh, reflecting on certain things

that I've seen on television.

844

: 00:37:41

Um, I don't know if you guys

ever remember the Twilight Zone.

845

: 00:37:44

You ever watch Twilight Zone

with Rod Sterling, right?

846

: 00:37:47

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Absolutely.

847

: 00:37:47

And then there was this I watch

it every weekend, actually.

848

: 00:37:49

Tony Tidbit: Okay.

849

: 00:37:50

So there was this

850

: 00:37:51

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Science fiction.

851

: 00:37:52

Tony Tidbit: I saw this

episode, I probably was 15, 16.

852

: 00:37:56

And you know, Twilight Zone was made

in the late 50s, early 60s, right?

853

: 00:38:00

And they had this one episode

where the TV, I mean, the show

854

: 00:38:03

comes on and this group of people,

they're having dinner together.

855

: 00:38:07

Right.

856

: 00:38:08

And they're all around the table

and they're having a good time.

857

: 00:38:10

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

858

: 00:38:12

Then all of a sudden the kid runs in and

said, Daddy, I just heard on the radio

859

: 00:38:16

that, um, I think we're under attack.

860

: 00:38:18

Right.

861

: 00:38:19

And everybody's like, what?

862

: 00:38:20

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

863

: 00:38:21

Right.

864

: 00:38:21

And so they break out and

they think they're being, uh,

865

: 00:38:25

this was the nuclear scare.

866

: 00:38:26

Right.

867

: 00:38:26

So this is back in the day

where everybody, so the one

868

: 00:38:29

person, uh, had a bomb shelter.

869

: 00:38:31

Okay.

870

: 00:38:32

The neighbor.

871

: 00:38:32

Right.

872

: 00:38:34

And all of a sudden these people.

873

: 00:38:36

That we're best friends.

874

: 00:38:39

Best friends having dinner together.

875

: 00:38:41

One of them was a Mexican.

876

: 00:38:44

Okay.

877

: 00:38:44

And then the dude, and then they were

trying to get into the bomb shelter.

878

: 00:38:48

My man, the neighbor, right?

879

: 00:38:50

And he wouldn't let him in.

880

: 00:38:51

And then the dude turned to the dude, he

was hugging and said, it's your fault.

881

: 00:38:57

You came over this guy

and then socked them.

882

: 00:39:00

All right.

883

: 00:39:01

And they were just friends.

884

: 00:39:02

Why do I bring that up?

885

: 00:39:04

I'll tell you why, because

what I'm hearing from you guys.

886

: 00:39:07

As esteem as you are, as smart as you are,

what I'm hearing is policy don't matter.

887

: 00:39:14

Execution don't matter.

888

: 00:39:16

What this election is

about the sum of all fears.

889

: 00:39:20

Okay.

890

: 00:39:21

It's about getting people to be afraid.

891

: 00:39:25

Okay.

892

: 00:39:25

And when people are

afraid, they're irrational.

893

: 00:39:29

Facts don't matter.

894

: 00:39:31

Disinformation goes out of the way side.

895

: 00:39:34

Okay.

896

: 00:39:35

Policies don't matter.

897

: 00:39:38

It doesn't matter because

now it's all about fear.

898

: 00:39:42

They're going to take this from you.

899

: 00:39:44

They're coming in this country.

900

: 00:39:45

They're doing this.

901

: 00:39:47

They're going to rob you.

902

: 00:39:48

And so even the most rational, I still

see that picture of people sitting

903

: 00:39:52

around the table, having dinner together.

904

: 00:39:55

Now, They're not friends no longer.

905

: 00:39:58

They're not neighbors.

906

: 00:39:59

Now they're enemies because now I don't

see you as my neighbor, as a fellow

907

: 00:40:05

American, I see you in my dreams as

something that's going to take from me.

908

: 00:40:12

And I don't want it.

909

: 00:40:13

And it comes out and I'm voting this

way because it doesn't matter if

910

: 00:40:18

this person lies, doesn't matter.

911

: 00:40:20

He's been convicted.

912

: 00:40:21

It doesn't matter that he tried

an insurrection, all those things

913

: 00:40:26

that we should be afraid of.

914

: 00:40:27

It shouldn't even be a contest.

915

: 00:40:30

Okay.

916

: 00:40:30

It shouldn't even be a contest.

917

: 00:40:32

All those things that we should,

from a rational standpoint,

918

: 00:40:36

we should be afraid of.

919

: 00:40:37

We're not even thinking about that now

because he's going to save me from them.

920

: 00:40:43

Let me hear you guys thoughts on that.

921

: 00:40:47

Chris P. Reed: I'll let

you go first, ma'am.

922

: 00:40:48

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Yeah,

I mean, I think it's true.

923

: 00:40:49

I was sitting here thinking about,

um, why I used to teach a class called

924

: 00:40:52

intercultural communication, which we

talked about these kinds of issues.

925

: 00:40:55

And at the beginning of the class, I

used to ask, what would you be, what

926

: 00:40:59

are you willing to give up so this,

so that other people can be free?

927

: 00:41:03

Right.

928

: 00:41:04

And at the end of the class,

after, you know, 16 weeks, I'd ask,

929

: 00:41:07

what are you willing to give up?

930

: 00:41:08

So, and this is after all the teaching

and learning, all the teaching and

931

: 00:41:11

learning, all the teaching and learning,

all the wonderful experiences, all

932

: 00:41:14

the things, the answer never changed.

933

: 00:41:18

It's nothing.

934

: 00:41:23

It's nothing.

935

: 00:41:24

And that is the problem.

936

: 00:41:26

That's the issue.

937

: 00:41:28

Right.

938

: 00:41:28

You know, and I'm not saying we should

come from a, a, a scarcity model.

939

: 00:41:32

Like there's not enough.

940

: 00:41:32

We got to do this.

941

: 00:41:33

We got to do.

942

: 00:41:33

I'm not saying that.

943

: 00:41:34

What I am saying is that at times in

life, you have to decide what you're

944

: 00:41:39

willing to go for, for go right.

945

: 00:41:42

In order to help someone else.

946

: 00:41:44

Right.

947

: 00:41:46

Like you just have to do that, right?

948

: 00:41:48

And a lot of people, Americans,

are not wired that way.

949

: 00:41:51

That's not what our culture is.

950

: 00:41:52

It's like bootstrap.

951

: 00:41:54

Every man for himself.

952

: 00:41:55

And I mean that.

953

: 00:41:56

Every man for himself.

954

: 00:41:58

Um, and so it's a different type of

ideology that we're fighting against.

955

: 00:42:01

It's a very strong ideology about

what it means to be an American.

956

: 00:42:06

What does an American look like?

957

: 00:42:07

We've had the media

reinforcing that for years.

958

: 00:42:09

That's right.

959

: 00:42:10

That's right.

960

: 00:42:11

Right.

961

: 00:42:12

What does an American look like?

962

: 00:42:13

Uh, what does real hard, what

does hard work look like?

963

: 00:42:16

Um, you know, all of these things

are just so, so, uh, defined in

964

: 00:42:20

a very, uh, limited type of way.

965

: 00:42:23

And so you are right.

966

: 00:42:24

People are focused on fear.

967

: 00:42:25

They are dealing, um, out of emotion.

968

: 00:42:28

You know, it's like if you are looking

at, because even today when I was

969

: 00:42:31

prepping for this, I said, okay,

let me just do a little, Checks and

970

: 00:42:35

balances policy on this policy policy.

971

: 00:42:37

I mean, if you are a logical person,

you should be able to look at

972

: 00:42:41

their policies and make a decision.

973

: 00:42:44

Tony Tidbit: Correct?

974

: 00:42:44

That's it.

975

: 00:42:45

If you just

976

: 00:42:45

Dr. Nsenga Burton: look at

977

: 00:42:47

Tony Tidbit: the policy, what's

978

: 00:42:47

Dr. Nsenga Burton: important to you,

you should be able to make a decision.

979

: 00:42:50

All these people are undecided.

980

: 00:42:51

I don't know how you're

undecided at this point.

981

: 00:42:53

You know, that is emotion.

982

: 00:42:56

You mad at Trump because

something he did 30 years ago.

983

: 00:42:58

You mad at Kamala cause

something she did 30 years ago.

984

: 00:43:01

Okay.

985

: 00:43:01

We got a whole lot happening

right here, right now.

986

: 00:43:04

We can look over it.

987

: 00:43:05

You know, he's the former president.

988

: 00:43:07

She is the vice president, senator,

all the things before that.

989

: 00:43:10

They got records.

990

: 00:43:11

You can look at their stuff.

991

: 00:43:12

You can see what they have done.

992

: 00:43:14

Look at those things and

make an informed decision.

993

: 00:43:17

Make the decision that is best

for in most cases you, but in

994

: 00:43:21

some cases other people, do you.

995

: 00:43:25

Tony Tidbit: So, so, uh, Mr.

996

: 00:43:27

Miyagi, he agrees with you, right?

997

: 00:43:29

He's like, you supposed to be thinking

about me right now while you're on this

998

: 00:43:32

Dr. Nsenga Burton: podcast.

999

: 00:43:35

Oh my gosh.

: 1000

00:43:36,755 --> 00:43:37,125

Okay.

: 1001

00:43:37,165 --> 00:43:38,525

I'm gonna have to get a studio for real.

: 1002

00:43:38,525 --> 00:43:40,335

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

: 1003

00:43:40,445 --> 00:43:44,834

So, uh, these are the things that we

have to be thinking about and why is

: 1004

00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:46,334

it that people are still on the bubble?

: 1005

00:43:46,344 --> 00:43:48,405

Why are people still saying crazy stuff?

: 1006

00:43:48,415 --> 00:43:50,215

Like, I mean, they're

just the same people.

: 1007

00:43:50,595 --> 00:43:51,685

They're not the same people.

: 1008

00:43:51,735 --> 00:43:52,835

They're not the same candidate.

: 1009

00:43:52,845 --> 00:43:55,835

If you actually read through their

policies, they're very different.

: 1010

00:43:55,905 --> 00:44:00,035

If you look at project: 2025

mean, which has, you know, Donald

: 1011

00:44:00,035 --> 00:44:01,745

Trump is like, I don't want to

have anything to do with that.

: 1012

00:44:01,755 --> 00:44:04,995

He's in the opening, like,

he's written part of it.

: 1013

00:44:05,515 --> 00:44:05,825

Right?

: 1014

00:44:05,855 --> 00:44:09,705

So it's like, yeah, you know,

the policies are very different.

: 1015

00:44:09,735 --> 00:44:11,845

Like, you go get, you don't

get something different.

: 1016

00:44:12,165 --> 00:44:14,675

If you vote for this person, then

what you get with this person.

: 1017

00:44:15,135 --> 00:44:16,855

And so that's what we have to talk about.

: 1018

00:44:16,855 --> 00:44:18,815

But nobody wants to have that

conversation because it's too hard.

: 1019

00:44:18,815 --> 00:44:20,845

Cause then you have to look at

yourself and be like, I'm a racist.

: 1020

00:44:21,485 --> 00:44:26,305

I'm a xenophobe, I'm a sexist,

I'm conservative, or I'm too free.

: 1021

00:44:26,315 --> 00:44:29,624

Whatever you want to do, but you have to

look at yourself and figure out where you

: 1022

00:44:29,624 --> 00:44:34,895

are and why you are so worried or bothered

by how other people live their lives.

: 1023

00:44:35,475 --> 00:44:35,935

Tony Tidbit: Right.

: 1024

00:44:36,055 --> 00:44:36,445

Right.

: 1025

00:44:36,505 --> 00:44:37,605

Chris, real quick, buddy.

: 1026

00:44:37,605 --> 00:44:37,955

And I want to

: 1027

00:44:37,955 --> 00:44:38,575

Chris P. Reed: move something else.

: 1028

00:44:39,140 --> 00:44:39,660

No problem.

: 1029

00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:42,270

My fear is that we exist in

this Lord of the Flies for so

: 1030

00:44:42,270 --> 00:44:43,630

long that it becomes normalized.

: 1031

00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:47,530

And then secondly, um, and more

importantly, is that if you take away

: 1032

00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:53,319

the color, the, uh, gender and the

sexual orientation, then what you have

: 1033

00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,909

is what a leadership strive for is a

utilitarian dynamic where you do the

: 1034

00:44:56,919 --> 00:44:59,359

best good for the most amount of people.

: 1035

00:44:59,580 --> 00:45:03,220

What am I doing that's going to affect

the most amount of people positively,

: 1036

00:45:03,380 --> 00:45:08,415

but I have to take away race, gender,

I have to take away sex, gender.

: 1037

00:45:08,795 --> 00:45:09,345

I have to take those.

: 1038

00:45:09,385 --> 00:45:10,515

And then like Dr.

: 1039

00:45:10,515 --> 00:45:14,345

Burton said, now you just have

policies, agnostic policies.

: 1040

00:45:14,594 --> 00:45:17,974

But the fact is people see a

policy and love it until they

: 1041

00:45:17,974 --> 00:45:19,625

see my picture there, right?

: 1042

00:45:19,755 --> 00:45:21,724

Until they see a woman there, right?

: 1043

00:45:21,724 --> 00:45:24,555

Until they see a transfer,

they, they, they take all of the

: 1044

00:45:24,555 --> 00:45:28,135

goodness out of it because of

the bias that they bring into it.

: 1045

00:45:28,465 --> 00:45:32,844

And that's the, that's where we're

losing ground because we're focusing

: 1046

00:45:32,845 --> 00:45:35,485

on those things as opposed to

focusing on the meat and potatoes.

: 1047

00:45:36,490 --> 00:45:37,495

Buddy, buddy,

: 1048

00:45:37,495 --> 00:45:41,370

Tony Tidbit: I mean, I'm going to have

to, we got, we got to get Chris, we got

: 1049

00:45:41,370 --> 00:45:44,930

to get him, he got to get out there on

the book tour or something because he

: 1050

00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:47,560

breaks it down very succinctly and tight.

: 1051

00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:48,169

I love it.

: 1052

00:45:48,170 --> 00:45:49,100

I love what you said.

: 1053

00:45:49,230 --> 00:45:50,670

So I'm going to come back to you on this.

: 1054

00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:51,780

I'd love to hear your thoughts.

: 1055

00:45:52,389 --> 00:45:55,240

Um, so let's go, let's

go to some policies.

: 1056

00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:57,390

Let's go to Kamala because

we've been, to be fair, we've

: 1057

00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:58,600

been talking more about Trump.

: 1058

00:45:59,260 --> 00:46:04,180

So based on what we just got finished, you

guys got finished saying include myself.

: 1059

00:46:05,335 --> 00:46:07,635

Why isn't she further ahead?

: 1060

00:46:08,445 --> 00:46:10,935

Why is this even a close race?

: 1061

00:46:11,185 --> 00:46:15,065

I'd love to hear some thoughts on

that because, and again, and again,

: 1062

00:46:15,435 --> 00:46:18,615

um, look, I ain't got no problem

saying I ain't voting for him.

: 1063

00:46:19,604 --> 00:46:20,184

Okay.

: 1064

00:46:20,184 --> 00:46:21,584

I'm just being straight up, right?

: 1065

00:46:21,825 --> 00:46:22,915

I want everybody to vote.

: 1066

00:46:23,334 --> 00:46:26,114

I want you to vote whatever

you think you're an American.

: 1067

00:46:26,255 --> 00:46:28,035

This is people died for this, right?

: 1068

00:46:28,375 --> 00:46:29,035

So you vote.

: 1069

00:46:29,415 --> 00:46:30,035

Okay.

: 1070

00:46:30,415 --> 00:46:32,225

Um, but at the end of the day.

: 1071

00:46:33,595 --> 00:46:38,535

based on all, and we can look at, um,

from, like you said, if they, if it

: 1072

00:46:38,535 --> 00:46:43,910

wasn't, um, You take gender, you take

race, you take all your biases out and

: 1073

00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:46,210

you just look at the policies, right?

: 1074

00:46:46,290 --> 00:46:49,010

That should help you narrow

down who you want to vote.

: 1075

00:46:49,319 --> 00:46:53,130

If you like what you hear and you want

to join us on this journey of making

: 1076

00:46:53,170 --> 00:46:58,150

uncomfortable conversations comfortable,

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: 1077

00:46:58,150 --> 00:47:00,030

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: 1078

00:47:00,030 --> 00:47:05,010

You get your podcast, hit subscribe now

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: 1079

00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:08,700

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and lead the change.

: 1080

00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:11,210

Thank you for being part of our community.

: 1081

00:47:12,450 --> 00:47:15,720

But then even if you throw in

character and you gotta throw in

: 1082

00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,790

character, okay, yeah, let's be fair.

: 1083

00:47:17,940 --> 00:47:18,300

Okay?

: 1084

00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:19,410

You gotta throw that in.

: 1085

00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:19,740

Okay.

: 1086

00:47:19,740 --> 00:47:21,360

Can't be biased on that, right?

: 1087

00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:25,020

When you throw that in, I

mean, it shouldn't even, and

: 1088

00:47:25,020 --> 00:47:26,430

again, I don't wanna say that.

: 1089

00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,600

Why do you think she's still so,

why this still is a tight race?

: 1090

00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:38,960

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Racism,

sexism is in a, I mean, I hate

: 1091

00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,450

to sound like a one trick pony.

: 1092

00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:43,026

Chris P. Reed: I love

: 1093

00:47:43,026 --> 00:47:44,313

Tony Tidbit: it.

: 1094

00:47:44,313 --> 00:47:47,570

I went through all that.

: 1095

00:47:47,770 --> 00:47:51,110

Everybody's looking Racism, sexism is in

: 1096

00:47:51,110 --> 00:47:51,940

Chris P. Reed: the way, Tony.

: 1097

00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:54,359

I thought you were summarizing,

I thought you were summarizing

: 1098

00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,380

what just had been established.

: 1099

00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:57,343

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Exactly, exactly.

: 1100

00:47:57,343 --> 00:47:59,885

No, I was like, why is

: 1101

00:47:59,885 --> 00:48:00,308

Tony Tidbit: she?

: 1102

00:48:00,308 --> 00:48:00,732

Okay,

: 1103

00:48:00,732 --> 00:48:02,426

Dr. Nsenga Burton: go ahead, go ahead.

: 1104

00:48:02,426 --> 00:48:04,544

Our most qualified president ever.

: 1105

00:48:05,485 --> 00:48:06,965

She has been in all levels.

: 1106

00:48:06,975 --> 00:48:07,115

So

: 1107

00:48:07,115 --> 00:48:10,485

Tony Tidbit: when you say, when you

say most, so give us, give us some

: 1108

00:48:10,515 --> 00:48:11,675

facts behind been in all levels

: 1109

00:48:12,285 --> 00:48:13,065

Dr. Nsenga Burton: of government.

: 1110

00:48:13,275 --> 00:48:14,495

She's been a Senator.

: 1111

00:48:14,525 --> 00:48:17,575

She's been a vice president

running for president, right?

: 1112

00:48:17,575 --> 00:48:18,474

That just does not happen.

: 1113

00:48:18,474 --> 00:48:18,834

Attorney

: 1114

00:48:18,835 --> 00:48:19,585

Tony Tidbit: General.

: 1115

00:48:20,155 --> 00:48:20,685

Attorney General.

: 1116

00:48:20,715 --> 00:48:21,004

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Oh, yeah.

: 1117

00:48:21,004 --> 00:48:21,314

Yeah.

: 1118

00:48:21,354 --> 00:48:22,184

District Attorney.

: 1119

00:48:22,195 --> 00:48:26,575

Like, I mean, she's got

every local, state, Federal.

: 1120

00:48:27,005 --> 00:48:28,695

She's been in every form

of government, right?

: 1121

00:48:28,865 --> 00:48:31,915

Every, and, and worked and

done things, authored bills,

: 1122

00:48:31,995 --> 00:48:33,635

like all the things, right?

: 1123

00:48:33,845 --> 00:48:34,865

So she's done all of that.

: 1124

00:48:34,885 --> 00:48:38,044

But in addition to that, when

you think about her policies, her

: 1125

00:48:38,044 --> 00:48:39,545

policies about the people, right?

: 1126

00:48:39,855 --> 00:48:45,435

She wants to tax billionaires,

which doesn't often happen in

: 1127

00:48:45,435 --> 00:48:49,265

a way that makes it good for

the rest of the country, right?

: 1128

00:48:49,265 --> 00:48:53,680

So, What happens is the middle class

and there's no real middle class in the

: 1129

00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,270

United States is really wealthy people

and people without and there's very few

: 1130

00:48:56,270 --> 00:49:00,059

people, um, who meet any of the like

real economic definitions, but let's

: 1131

00:49:00,059 --> 00:49:01,820

just say the so called middle class.

: 1132

00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:05,890

Um, it's just tax to death under

Republicans because they wanted,

: 1133

00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:10,489

uh, because the idea is that,

um, corporations will then hire

: 1134

00:49:10,489 --> 00:49:13,690

more people and will stimulate

the economy and blah, blah, blah.

: 1135

00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:14,480

It does not happen.

: 1136

00:49:14,550 --> 00:49:17,240

They just keep the money and

they give it to their investors.

: 1137

00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:21,410

Um, then you have Democrats who then

are like, okay, we're going to tax

: 1138

00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:26,620

the big corporations and then, um, You

know, we'll use that money to underwrite

: 1139

00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:30,000

some of these programs that we really

want to do to make America run better.

: 1140

00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:33,090

So that's why you and what does

work with that is that's why

: 1141

00:49:33,090 --> 00:49:34,220

you get the infrastructure.

: 1142

00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:35,249

You get the bridges fixed.

: 1143

00:49:35,250 --> 00:49:36,160

You get the roads fixed.

: 1144

00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:37,710

You get the things that

you complain about.

: 1145

00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,499

That's what happens because you have

more money, um, working that way.

: 1146

00:49:41,499 --> 00:49:43,800

So when you talk about Kamala

Harris, she's talking about.

: 1147

00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:48,150

Entrepreneurship, you know, um,

giving people money to start

: 1148

00:49:48,150 --> 00:49:49,840

businesses, which is hard to do.

: 1149

00:49:49,890 --> 00:49:50,810

And it's not a lot of money.

: 1150

00:49:50,810 --> 00:49:53,180

It's 20 K, which is a lot

of money for some people.

: 1151

00:49:53,230 --> 00:49:53,580

Right.

: 1152

00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:53,900

Right.

: 1153

00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:54,339

Right.

: 1154

00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:54,650

Right.

: 1155

00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:55,289

It's 20 K.

: 1156

00:49:55,289 --> 00:49:57,110

Look, Tony and I'll

take, Chris will take it.

: 1157

00:49:57,490 --> 00:49:58,120

You know what I mean?

: 1158

00:49:58,369 --> 00:50:01,309

Do something with it, flip it, do

it, but you know, where do I sign?

: 1159

00:50:02,829 --> 00:50:03,490

Chris P. Reed: I'll take 10.

: 1160

00:50:04,385 --> 00:50:06,895

Dr. Nsenga Burton: But these are also

policies that are going to help everybody.

: 1161

00:50:06,895 --> 00:50:07,595

But it's really hard.

: 1162

00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:08,405

Entrepreneurship.

: 1163

00:50:08,415 --> 00:50:10,545

You know, I've been a director

of entrepreneurship center.

: 1164

00:50:10,555 --> 00:50:12,425

I've been entrepreneur

for almost 20 years.

: 1165

00:50:12,795 --> 00:50:15,225

All of the things I teach

business, things of that nature.

: 1166

00:50:15,495 --> 00:50:18,265

Being an entrepreneur is one of the

most difficult things that you can do.

: 1167

00:50:19,185 --> 00:50:23,844

She's launching a national health equity

initiative that focuses on black men.

: 1168

00:50:24,420 --> 00:50:26,780

Now, this is why I'm like

bugging when black men are

: 1169

00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:27,530

like, I'm not voting for her.

: 1170

00:50:28,030 --> 00:50:28,340

I can't.

: 1171

00:50:28,340 --> 00:50:30,264

And it's not all of you all,

of course, but it's just

: 1172

00:50:30,264 --> 00:50:32,129

some, it's a small percentage.

: 1173

00:50:32,129 --> 00:50:32,460

I can't.

: 1174

00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:33,769

It's a small percentage.

: 1175

00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:34,300

Right.

: 1176

00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:36,009

But I was just like, have

you looked at the policies?

: 1177

00:50:36,010 --> 00:50:39,449

Cause all of this stuff meets

you, entrepreneurship, national

: 1178

00:50:39,450 --> 00:50:41,689

black health equity initiative.

: 1179

00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:43,859

She wants to legalize marijuana.

: 1180

00:50:44,485 --> 00:50:46,805

I'm not saying that's a black thing,

because I know a lot of white folks

: 1181

00:50:46,805 --> 00:50:48,644

who smoke weed, I'm just saying.

: 1182

00:50:48,645 --> 00:50:52,344

Oh, but she wants to legalize marijuana,

but a lot of us were in jail for long

: 1183

00:50:52,344 --> 00:50:56,195

periods of time, for smoking, getting

caught smoking, dealing a little

: 1184

00:50:56,195 --> 00:50:57,885

bit of marijuana, or what have you.

: 1185

00:50:58,325 --> 00:51:04,455

Um, lowering costs, um, uh, on

price gouging at the grocery store.

: 1186

00:51:05,265 --> 00:51:06,735

That's a big deal.

: 1187

00:51:06,935 --> 00:51:09,524

If you buy groceries, or if you

have bought groceries, please.

: 1188

00:51:10,545 --> 00:51:11,445

That is a big deal.

: 1189

00:51:11,725 --> 00:51:14,975

Um, so, because we are clearly being

gouged, their profits and through

: 1190

00:51:14,985 --> 00:51:16,135

the roof, they're doing great.

: 1191

00:51:16,495 --> 00:51:17,895

They got us bagging our own stuff.

: 1192

00:51:18,245 --> 00:51:19,834

They got one person and bringing it up.

: 1193

00:51:19,834 --> 00:51:22,934

Everybody else is standing around

bagging their own stuff and they got

: 1194

00:51:22,935 --> 00:51:25,324

the profits through the roof and then

everything is even more expensive.

: 1195

00:51:25,324 --> 00:51:26,685

So I'm like, why is it so expensive?

: 1196

00:51:26,744 --> 00:51:28,034

Cause I feel like I work here.

: 1197

00:51:28,084 --> 00:51:30,975

I feel like I need a spot and a name tag.

: 1198

00:51:31,035 --> 00:51:32,755

Cause I feel like I work today.

: 1199

00:51:32,755 --> 00:51:34,215

I got to carry my grocery tip.

: 1200

00:51:34,215 --> 00:51:37,715

I mean like, So, okay, so she's doing

all of those things and then she's

: 1201

00:51:37,715 --> 00:51:43,435

doing lowering rent, rents, which

are out of control everywhere and

: 1202

00:51:43,435 --> 00:51:45,544

providing more down payment assistance.

: 1203

00:51:45,595 --> 00:51:48,715

So she's really focusing

on building a middle class.

: 1204

00:51:49,170 --> 00:51:52,480

And helping people who are in the middle

class who can't get over that hump because

: 1205

00:51:52,740 --> 00:51:55,770

they can't get that little cash infusion

to take their business to the next to

: 1206

00:51:55,770 --> 00:51:59,489

scale their business to the next level,

or they can't figure out if they can't

: 1207

00:51:59,490 --> 00:52:03,399

save enough just to get that down payment

together for that house that they would be

: 1208

00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,900

able to afford the house note on if they

could just get that down payment together.

: 1209

00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:07,270

Right?

: 1210

00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,030

Um, so she's doing things

that are going to help.

: 1211

00:52:10,645 --> 00:52:14,315

Everybody, not just black folks, not

just women, not just what have you.

: 1212

00:52:14,605 --> 00:52:15,765

She's doing those things.

: 1213

00:52:15,765 --> 00:52:17,105

That's going to help everybody.

: 1214

00:52:17,105 --> 00:52:20,275

So those are what I like her policies.

: 1215

00:52:20,625 --> 00:52:22,534

I mean, you know, the other

stuff that people are mad about.

: 1216

00:52:22,555 --> 00:52:27,534

I don't, I'm not thinking about any of

that as a woman, as a mother of a child,

: 1217

00:52:27,534 --> 00:52:35,755

who's a woman, a girl, I want us to have

her, her full health care options, period.

: 1218

00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:40,520

So I'm not talking about the religious

aspects of abortion or what you do, you

: 1219

00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,690

know, say people against abortion, let,

uh, cheered when they put that, um,

: 1220

00:52:44,790 --> 00:52:46,340

innocent black man to death last week.

: 1221

00:52:46,830 --> 00:52:47,240

Right.

: 1222

00:52:47,279 --> 00:52:50,689

So I'm just like, I don't

even have time to hear about

: 1223

00:52:50,689 --> 00:52:52,240

the, the, the pro life stuff.

: 1224

00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,789

Cause you don't care about kids once

they get here as an adoptive parent.

: 1225

00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,050

We'll talk about that tomorrow to Tony.

: 1226

00:52:56,860 --> 00:52:59,470

Um, y'all don't care when they get

here, you don't do anything for them.

: 1227

00:52:59,470 --> 00:53:02,000

For half a million is sitting

in foster care right now.

: 1228

00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,850

Half a million, but you're like,

Oh no, no, no, bring them here.

: 1229

00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,140

We're going to do, stop it.

: 1230

00:53:09,210 --> 00:53:12,890

So, um, that's, those are the policies

I think that are most interesting.

: 1231

00:53:12,900 --> 00:53:13,730

She has lots of them.

: 1232

00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:17,189

Um, and, you know, actually fixing

the immigration issue, right.

: 1233

00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:21,010

Making it, um, more streamlined and

making it more clear and defined

: 1234

00:53:21,019 --> 00:53:22,509

about how you become an immigrant.

: 1235

00:53:22,509 --> 00:53:25,459

Since there's so many different ways

that you can do that depending on

: 1236

00:53:25,459 --> 00:53:26,689

which country you come here from.

: 1237

00:53:27,215 --> 00:53:28,075

Tony Tidbit: Right, right.

: 1238

00:53:28,295 --> 00:53:30,345

So, Chris, I want you

to follow up on that.

: 1239

00:53:30,375 --> 00:53:33,915

Again, why do you think, why do you

think this, oh, I'm sorry, you guys

: 1240

00:53:33,915 --> 00:53:35,045

answered that question already.

: 1241

00:53:35,385 --> 00:53:37,235

So, Chris, let me ask you this, my friend.

: 1242

00:53:37,505 --> 00:53:40,945

Um, anything you want to,

uh, follow up on with Dr.

: 1243

00:53:40,945 --> 00:53:43,285

Burtonson and I have a, a

question directly for you.

: 1244

00:53:43,925 --> 00:53:44,515

Chris P. Reed: Absolutely.

: 1245

00:53:44,515 --> 00:53:47,745

So, uh, from what I've seen

from the GOP, uh, first of all,

: 1246

00:53:47,745 --> 00:53:49,045

xenophobia is not a policy.

: 1247

00:53:49,060 --> 00:53:53,140

Um, you know, some of the things

that they predict some, some of

: 1248

00:53:53,140 --> 00:53:57,050

the things that they present as

policies aren't necessarily policies.

: 1249

00:53:57,050 --> 00:53:57,760

They aren't solutions.

: 1250

00:53:57,770 --> 00:54:00,219

They aren't documented understandings

of how things work out.

: 1251

00:54:00,595 --> 00:54:03,165

Obviously they stray away from the

things that failed in the past.

: 1252

00:54:03,165 --> 00:54:07,335

Think about Obamacare, which is not called

Obamacare anymore, but he stated that

: 1253

00:54:07,345 --> 00:54:09,285

that was going to be eradicated day one.

: 1254

00:54:09,545 --> 00:54:10,025

It wasn't.

: 1255

00:54:10,045 --> 00:54:12,804

So if you just look at somebody

that already held this job, right?

: 1256

00:54:12,844 --> 00:54:16,805

They've shown you who there is

no way you get a job, fail, even

: 1257

00:54:16,805 --> 00:54:19,545

with the qualifications of COVID

and can get that job when it's the

: 1258

00:54:19,545 --> 00:54:20,795

most important job in the world.

: 1259

00:54:20,845 --> 00:54:25,025

Again, that's a disqualifier to

me, but the lack of policy in that

: 1260

00:54:25,025 --> 00:54:27,400

regard is very, um, overwhelming.

: 1261

00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,310

She spoke about the policies that

Vice President Harris has before her.

: 1262

00:54:31,570 --> 00:54:34,580

I haven't seen anything from

the GOP that's resounding from

: 1263

00:54:34,580 --> 00:54:39,220

a policy perspective because the

simple fact is policies cascade

: 1264

00:54:39,220 --> 00:54:41,689

and in the concept of the economy.

: 1265

00:54:41,790 --> 00:54:49,315

So this misnomer that republicans are

for business Would lead you to believe

: 1266

00:54:49,315 --> 00:54:53,535

that Democrats are anti business

and that's absolutely fraudulent.

: 1267

00:54:53,555 --> 00:54:56,345

That's absolutely not the case

because she just talked about the

: 1268

00:54:56,345 --> 00:54:57,825

proliferation of entrepreneurs.

: 1269

00:54:58,185 --> 00:55:01,504

She just talked about more

businesses, more opportunities.

: 1270

00:55:01,555 --> 00:55:04,724

The fact is now it's becoming

a gateway for more people.

: 1271

00:55:05,290 --> 00:55:09,670

More diverse diaspora of people,

and that's where the issues come.

: 1272

00:55:09,860 --> 00:55:13,060

So you have special interests

that are going on, and I'm not

: 1273

00:55:13,069 --> 00:55:14,180

gonna beat the stage drum, right?

: 1274

00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,239

The fact that you can have a

rally, and I'll be brief here,

: 1275

00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:21,610

Tony, that you can have a rally,

and you have at least corporate

: 1276

00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,710

backed interest being audaciously

presented is weird in politics to me.

: 1277

00:55:27,060 --> 00:55:31,304

But at most, foreign backed

interest in the form of Elon Musk.

: 1278

00:55:31,815 --> 00:55:32,685

That's a rallies.

: 1279

00:55:32,755 --> 00:55:33,195

Right.

: 1280

00:55:33,335 --> 00:55:33,745

Right.

: 1281

00:55:33,785 --> 00:55:38,505

If somebody else would have did that

and had a foreign actor, a Putin giving

: 1282

00:55:38,505 --> 00:55:41,905

you a thumbs up on your election,

you're getting likes by Kim Jong on it.

: 1283

00:55:42,095 --> 00:55:43,775

Why are we even right?

: 1284

00:55:43,915 --> 00:55:45,625

This is ignorant at this point.

: 1285

00:55:46,165 --> 00:55:47,595

It's right.

: 1286

00:55:47,664 --> 00:55:48,114

Right.

: 1287

00:55:48,225 --> 00:55:49,265

It's exhaustive.

: 1288

00:55:49,465 --> 00:55:52,995

And so when you have the, then,

you know, that's what's going

: 1289

00:55:52,995 --> 00:55:54,735

on is pockets being lined it.

: 1290

00:55:54,735 --> 00:55:58,055

And when you talk about deceitful,

duplicitous business practices,

: 1291

00:55:58,285 --> 00:55:59,715

this is not just business practices.

: 1292

00:55:59,725 --> 00:56:02,535

These are life practices

for this candidate, right?

: 1293

00:56:02,584 --> 00:56:05,464

And therefore it's hard to think

that he would divorce that.

: 1294

00:56:05,654 --> 00:56:10,025

The last thing I'll say on that is

when he was elected, my quotation

: 1295

00:56:10,025 --> 00:56:11,495

fingers are up for all those on audio.

: 1296

00:56:11,745 --> 00:56:15,845

The first time the good man, Barack

Obama said, give him a chance.

: 1297

00:56:16,745 --> 00:56:20,974

He was dead wrong and it's okay.

: 1298

00:56:20,975 --> 00:56:21,255

Tony Tidbit: Yeah.

: 1299

00:56:21,255 --> 00:56:22,335

But you know what though, buddy?

: 1300

00:56:22,355 --> 00:56:23,225

So here's the thing.

: 1301

00:56:23,235 --> 00:56:24,975

So number one, thank you both for that.

: 1302

00:56:24,975 --> 00:56:28,595

I really, and again, excellent

insights from both of you guys.

: 1303

00:56:28,835 --> 00:56:33,675

And I hope the audience is listening

because as you can hear from Dr.

: 1304

00:56:33,675 --> 00:56:34,825

Burton and Chris P.

: 1305

00:56:34,825 --> 00:56:37,195

Reed, they're, they,

they do their research.

: 1306

00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:42,700

They're citizens and they show their

citizenship by being involved, okay,

: 1307

00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:47,010

by being educated on what's being

said, what, what's really happening

: 1308

00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:48,810

and then pushing back the fluff.

: 1309

00:56:48,810 --> 00:56:51,749

So I hope that you really appreciate

what they're talking about.

: 1310

00:56:51,909 --> 00:56:56,169

The one thing I will say though, Chris,

is that the Republicans are for business.

: 1311

00:56:56,765 --> 00:56:57,565

Big business.

: 1312

00:56:57,885 --> 00:56:58,445

Okay.

: 1313

00:56:58,455 --> 00:57:00,785

They're for the massive

corporations, right?

: 1314

00:57:01,055 --> 00:57:04,375

Because they want to give corporate tax

breaks and stuff to that nature, right?

: 1315

00:57:04,505 --> 00:57:07,595

So they're not for the, they say they're

for small business, but they're not.

: 1316

00:57:07,985 --> 00:57:09,755

They're for big corporations.

: 1317

00:57:09,755 --> 00:57:10,195

All right.

: 1318

00:57:10,485 --> 00:57:12,094

Now, let me ask you this.

: 1319

00:57:12,185 --> 00:57:15,785

And I would love to see if you

have a night, uh, uh, a thought

: 1320

00:57:15,785 --> 00:57:16,745

on it, Chris, and then Dr.

: 1321

00:57:16,745 --> 00:57:17,755

Burton, I'll turn it over to you.

: 1322

00:57:17,755 --> 00:57:19,765

And then I'm going to ask you

guys for your predictions.

: 1323

00:57:20,235 --> 00:57:22,265

Um, and then, uh, implications.

: 1324

00:57:22,265 --> 00:57:24,225

It's the other person, whoever wins.

: 1325

00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,740

Why isn't, I, I, I'm

missing something here.

: 1326

00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:30,700

Um, and look, black

people are not a monolith.

: 1327

00:57:30,730 --> 00:57:32,370

Let's be fair, okay?

: 1328

00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:36,350

Black people, let's, and again, let's

just put this in the right context.

: 1329

00:57:36,889 --> 00:57:41,699

Black people, until, uh, and, and Dr.

: 1330

00:57:41,699 --> 00:57:45,630

Burton, you and I talked about this,

until, uh, until civil rights era,

: 1331

00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:48,130

the majority of them voted Republican.

: 1332

00:57:49,035 --> 00:57:49,515

Okay.

: 1333

00:57:49,535 --> 00:57:50,935

Just to be clear here, right?

: 1334

00:57:50,935 --> 00:57:53,465

Cause, well, we're talking to

different parties now and then.

: 1335

00:57:53,465 --> 00:57:54,025

Okay.

: 1336

00:57:54,345 --> 00:57:57,855

The Democrats back in the prior

to the sixties was the Klan.

: 1337

00:57:58,455 --> 00:57:58,834

All right.

: 1338

00:57:59,085 --> 00:58:02,245

There was the ones that was

against civil rights and Jim.

: 1339

00:58:02,514 --> 00:58:04,515

They were all Jim Crow, blah, blah, blah.

: 1340

00:58:04,844 --> 00:58:05,604

Black people voted

: 1341

00:58:05,605 --> 00:58:07,505

Dr. Nsenga Burton: for the Dixiecrats.

: 1342

00:58:07,515 --> 00:58:08,065

Thank you.

: 1343

00:58:08,075 --> 00:58:08,505

Tony Tidbit: Thank you.

: 1344

00:58:08,545 --> 00:58:09,255

Dixiecrats.

: 1345

00:58:09,255 --> 00:58:09,385

Right.

: 1346

00:58:09,385 --> 00:58:10,555

So they wasn't voting for them.

: 1347

00:58:10,785 --> 00:58:11,295

Okay.

: 1348

00:58:11,315 --> 00:58:13,425

Black people vote mostly both voted.

: 1349

00:58:13,885 --> 00:58:14,435

Republican.

: 1350

00:58:14,495 --> 00:58:15,015

Okay.

: 1351

00:58:15,305 --> 00:58:17,245

Now we know it's a different world.

: 1352

00:58:17,245 --> 00:58:18,355

So I just wanted to say that.

: 1353

00:58:18,675 --> 00:58:22,425

However, the question I have for you,

Chris, and then I'm going to turn to Dr.

: 1354

00:58:22,425 --> 00:58:24,545

Burton before we get final

thoughts and predictions.

: 1355

00:58:25,555 --> 00:58:27,395

Why is it we're hearing that?

: 1356

00:58:27,735 --> 00:58:31,354

Um, and let me say, let me, let me,

let me, let me position it this way.

: 1357

00:58:31,654 --> 00:58:36,044

We have a first black female

woman running for president.

: 1358

00:58:36,695 --> 00:58:37,275

Okay.

: 1359

00:58:37,355 --> 00:58:40,715

Let's be, and that's a historic thing.

: 1360

00:58:41,265 --> 00:58:41,735

Okay.

: 1361

00:58:41,765 --> 00:58:42,495

Historic.

: 1362

00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,260

We had a black president.

: 1363

00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:45,080

Okay.

: 1364

00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:51,450

Now we have a black female vice president

that has a chance three weeks away.

: 1365

00:58:52,135 --> 00:58:56,925

Votes go her way to be the first,

not just female president in the

: 1366

00:58:56,925 --> 00:58:59,885

United States, but black female

president of the United States.

: 1367

00:58:59,895 --> 00:59:00,395

Okay.

: 1368

00:59:00,745 --> 00:59:03,545

Now we talked about policies

and stuff to that nature.

: 1369

00:59:03,555 --> 00:59:03,814

Dr.

: 1370

00:59:03,814 --> 00:59:04,544

Burton did a good job.

: 1371

00:59:04,555 --> 00:59:06,355

Both of you guys broke it down, right?

: 1372

00:59:06,755 --> 00:59:07,685

Why are we here?

: 1373

00:59:07,704 --> 00:59:09,345

And again, black people

are not a monolith.

: 1374

00:59:09,374 --> 00:59:12,545

So we know that people vote, black people

vote, all different types of people.

: 1375

00:59:12,975 --> 00:59:16,855

But why are we hearing that

black men, and it's a small

: 1376

00:59:16,875 --> 00:59:19,104

percentage, but they struggle.

: 1377

00:59:19,115 --> 00:59:20,125

They don't want to vote.

: 1378

00:59:20,535 --> 00:59:21,585

For Kamala Harris.

: 1379

00:59:21,595 --> 00:59:26,435

So can anybody give me some insight

in that and the audience some insight

: 1380

00:59:26,645 --> 00:59:31,385

on why this is an issue and why,

if it is an issue, and it must be

: 1381

00:59:31,385 --> 00:59:32,724

because you've heard it enough.

: 1382

00:59:33,145 --> 00:59:37,125

Why is it that those individuals

don't want to vote for her?

: 1383

00:59:38,324 --> 00:59:39,715

Chris P. Reed: Let me, I can do that.

: 1384

00:59:39,785 --> 00:59:42,545

Let me start by saying as a

leader in big business, you're

: 1385

00:59:42,545 --> 00:59:43,815

nothing without the people.

: 1386

00:59:44,175 --> 00:59:46,645

And so I don't want people

to believe that you think big

: 1387

00:59:46,645 --> 00:59:48,605

business is just one percenters.

: 1388

00:59:48,765 --> 00:59:51,535

Big business is the

people is the employee.

: 1389

00:59:51,735 --> 00:59:54,355

It is the machine, the frontline

workers and things of that nature.

: 1390

00:59:54,355 --> 00:59:57,995

So, Those people who exist in

those roles, you are big business.

: 1391

00:59:58,105 --> 01:00:01,765

And so they should be residing

and resonating with you as well

: 1392

01:00:01,765 --> 01:00:02,875

as just the people at the top.

: 1393

01:00:02,905 --> 01:00:03,465

That's number one.

: 1394

01:00:03,525 --> 01:00:03,785

Yeah.

: 1395

01:00:03,825 --> 01:00:07,685

Now why are black men or folks

not voting for Kamala Harris?

: 1396

01:00:07,925 --> 01:00:10,055

A lot of it is called

a conditioned response.

: 1397

01:00:10,055 --> 01:00:14,465

The psychological conditioning is just

getting over the concept of change.

: 1398

01:00:14,475 --> 01:00:18,195

Change is something that people are

psychologically natural to resist

: 1399

01:00:18,695 --> 01:00:20,355

and therefore they're hesitant.

: 1400

01:00:20,405 --> 01:00:25,700

And when you make it, Easy to not have to

change because the reality of it is also.

: 1401

01:00:26,065 --> 01:00:28,315

No one wants to be on the losing side.

: 1402

01:00:28,425 --> 01:00:29,215

Let's just keep it real.

: 1403

01:00:29,215 --> 01:00:29,555

Right?

: 1404

01:00:29,795 --> 01:00:32,605

And so if you think I could come

out on this being, everybody

: 1405

01:00:32,605 --> 01:00:33,775

wants to be part of the chat.

: 1406

01:00:33,775 --> 01:00:36,205

This is why bandwagons exist

and things of that nature.

: 1407

01:00:36,205 --> 01:00:36,525

Right?

: 1408

01:00:36,795 --> 01:00:41,705

So the concept of if I vote for her,

I'm going to have to do extra work and

: 1409

01:00:41,755 --> 01:00:45,275

understand why I'm making this decision

because it's quote unquote against the

: 1410

01:00:45,275 --> 01:00:47,075

grain, not realizing you're not kept.

: 1411

01:00:47,085 --> 01:00:50,355

You haven't kept up with the times you

haven't kept up with the pulse of things.

: 1412

01:00:50,415 --> 01:00:53,125

Tony Tidbit: When, when, just so I'm clear

here, when you say against the grain, they

: 1413

01:00:53,125 --> 01:00:54,565

don't want to change change from what?

: 1414

01:00:54,635 --> 01:00:56,225

From a male

: 1415

01:00:56,225 --> 01:00:57,485

Chris P. Reed: dominated

United States government.

: 1416

01:00:57,485 --> 01:00:58,105

Okay, so then

: 1417

01:00:58,115 --> 01:00:59,345

Tony Tidbit: say it that way, Dan, right?

: 1418

01:00:59,345 --> 01:00:59,645

Okay.

: 1419

01:00:59,835 --> 01:01:01,935

Say it that way, because I thought

you, I thought you were talking from

: 1420

01:01:01,935 --> 01:01:03,995

an administration standpoint, right?

: 1421

01:01:03,995 --> 01:01:05,265

Yes and both.

: 1422

01:01:05,725 --> 01:01:07,405

But she's in the administration.

: 1423

01:01:07,405 --> 01:01:08,535

She's in the administration.

: 1424

01:01:08,905 --> 01:01:09,845

She's the incumbent.

: 1425

01:01:09,985 --> 01:01:10,625

She is the incumbent.

: 1426

01:01:10,625 --> 01:01:12,584

But

: 1427

01:01:12,585 --> 01:01:16,355

Chris P. Reed: the recognition, the

emotional recognition, she gets slighted

: 1428

01:01:16,525 --> 01:01:20,185

for things that if a man was doing the

same things in her, if it had been a

: 1429

01:01:20,185 --> 01:01:24,020

male vice president, forget the color,

He would have gotten so much more credit

: 1430

01:01:24,020 --> 01:01:25,330

for the things that he's been wanting.

: 1431

01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:26,590

Tony Tidbit: Okay, so I'm okay.

: 1432

01:01:26,590 --> 01:01:27,110

I'm clear.

: 1433

01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:27,490

I'm clear.

: 1434

01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:28,150

Than anything

: 1435

01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:28,480

Chris P. Reed: else.

: 1436

01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:32,410

So any idea of, and another thing,

Tony, and good, bad or different,

: 1437

01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:33,440

I don't know what to believe.

: 1438

01:01:34,610 --> 01:01:38,210

Like, you're, you're, you're, you're

regurgitating things that you've seen on

: 1439

01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,690

quote unquote reputable outlets as far

as she's behind or she's ahead or people

: 1440

01:01:42,690 --> 01:01:44,010

don't want to rock with or whatever.

: 1441

01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:45,040

To me, that's propaganda.

: 1442

01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:45,820

You're an ad guy.

: 1443

01:01:46,020 --> 01:01:47,140

You know how ads work.

: 1444

01:01:47,830 --> 01:01:52,170

Tony Tidbit: No, but, but buddy, buddy,

I, so before I give you my thoughts.

: 1445

01:01:52,675 --> 01:01:52,925

Dr.

: 1446

01:01:52,925 --> 01:01:54,135

Burton, let me hear your thoughts on that.

: 1447

01:01:56,165 --> 01:01:56,715

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Sure.

: 1448

01:01:56,765 --> 01:01:57,335

Um

: 1449

01:01:59,485 --> 01:02:03,415

we have a former president who is involved

with an insurrection, is a convicted

: 1450

01:02:03,415 --> 01:02:06,305

felon, he's facing, a zillion charges.

: 1451

01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:11,890

He owes a ton of money.

: 1452

01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:16,720

Um, he was negligent with

how he handled COVID.

: 1453

01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:21,080

He didn't want to handle that the

way we handled other pandemics, um,

: 1454

01:02:21,090 --> 01:02:24,200

which is why it landed here in the

U S it was completely avoidable.

: 1455

01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:25,380

Millions of people dying.

: 1456

01:02:25,470 --> 01:02:29,380

All these people with long COVID, all this

stuff avoidable because he didn't want

: 1457

01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:32,070

a public relations issue on his hands.

: 1458

01:02:32,530 --> 01:02:33,750

Uh, I don't know.

: 1459

01:02:34,175 --> 01:02:38,075

What any free thinking black person,

because I don't know how many black

: 1460

01:02:38,075 --> 01:02:41,815

people y'all saw die in COVID or get

sick in COVID or how many babies you

: 1461

01:02:41,815 --> 01:02:43,615

saw left with no parents in COVID.

: 1462

01:02:43,685 --> 01:02:47,195

I saw a lot, um, went in there, right?

: 1463

01:02:47,195 --> 01:02:50,675

Mine vote for this man because he

promised them a tax cut, but let

: 1464

01:02:50,675 --> 01:02:51,795

me just go ahead and help you.

: 1465

01:02:51,955 --> 01:02:56,105

If you make under 250, 000, it's

not going to come to you anyway.

: 1466

01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:59,990

The only person that's going to

get a tax cut that's going to

: 1467

01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,410

come to you is going to give you

1 is going to be Kamala Harris.

: 1468

01:03:02,430 --> 01:03:04,070

It's going to be about: 2500

: 1469

01:03:04,350 --> 01:03:04,920

That's it.

: 1470

01:03:05,470 --> 01:03:05,790

All right.

: 1471

01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,950

So neither 1 of them are like, really

going to be able to give you anything.

: 1472

01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,170

Both of them have said that they

want to do a child care credit.

: 1473

01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:13,470

Trump wants to do: 5000

: 1474

01:03:13,890 --> 01:03:14,980

That's the 1 thing they agree on.

: 1475

01:03:14,980 --> 01:03:15,930

And I agree with both of them.

: 1476

01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,960

And Kamala says she

wants to do: 6000

: 1477

01:03:20,340 --> 01:03:22,170

Um, those are good things, right?

: 1478

01:03:22,170 --> 01:03:25,050

But if you look at this

man's performance beforehand.

: 1479

01:03:26,100 --> 01:03:28,060

And I'm really mad at

the Republican party.

: 1480

01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:28,890

Let me say this too.

: 1481

01:03:28,890 --> 01:03:30,220

I used to work for the Republican party.

: 1482

01:03:30,330 --> 01:03:31,420

People don't know that about me.

: 1483

01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:36,920

That's how I actually came to have these

very, uh, informed opinions about things.

: 1484

01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,470

And I understand that not all

Republicans are Trump Republicans.

: 1485

01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:42,950

And I understand that people think

differently about things or what have you.

: 1486

01:03:43,470 --> 01:03:43,890

But

: 1487

01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:50,480

out of all the people that you

got out here, you chose him.

: 1488

01:03:50,990 --> 01:03:52,720

Like you think that's

the best that you can do,

: 1489

01:03:53,110 --> 01:03:53,460

Chris P. Reed: right?

: 1490

01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:54,080

Right.

: 1491

01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:54,470

Right.

: 1492

01:03:54,500 --> 01:03:54,640

You

: 1493

01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,390

Dr. Nsenga Burton: think that's the

best that you can do in terms of

: 1494

01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,870

the president of the United States?

: 1495

01:03:58,130 --> 01:03:58,820

That is sad.

: 1496

01:03:58,820 --> 01:04:02,630

If, if he's the best that you can do, they

need to disband the party and start over.

: 1497

01:04:03,230 --> 01:04:03,640

Chris P. Reed: Right.

: 1498

01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:04,030

Right.

: 1499

01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:06,810

Dr. Nsenga Burton: If that's the best

that you can do, if you have people,

: 1500

01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:11,380

uh, stepping over themselves to, to,

uh, bow down to this man who's in bed

: 1501

01:04:11,380 --> 01:04:18,060

with all of our, our like lifelong

opposition, like our lifelong, uh, people

: 1502

01:04:18,060 --> 01:04:20,150

that we don't, uh, Fool with at all.

: 1503

01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:21,650

I was like, did we forget about the baby?

: 1504

01:04:21,850 --> 01:04:23,959

Have we forgotten about all

: 1505

01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,310

Tony Tidbit: those things in bed with all

: 1506

01:04:25,310 --> 01:04:25,670

Dr. Nsenga Burton: these people?

: 1507

01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:30,130

You claim to love the military,

but you are in bed with Putin.

: 1508

01:04:31,860 --> 01:04:35,290

You claim to love police officers, but you

got them out here going against people,

: 1509

01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,630

uh, with, um, all these automatic weapons.

: 1510

01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:41,500

You sending them out here to go

against people with automatic weapons.

: 1511

01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:42,730

You claim to love the kids.

: 1512

01:04:42,730 --> 01:04:44,970

You've got the kids getting shot

up with these automatic weapons

: 1513

01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:46,630

at school every other month.

: 1514

01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,710

We got some kind of some kind of

warning coming over our phones talking

: 1515

01:04:49,710 --> 01:04:50,990

about somebody calling a threat.

: 1516

01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:53,010

So this is my point.

: 1517

01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:54,680

Black men.

: 1518

01:04:55,460 --> 01:04:57,240

Black women have raised you.

: 1519

01:04:57,825 --> 01:05:01,785

We have loved you and we have continued

to do so, and we'll continue to do so.

: 1520

01:05:03,515 --> 01:05:06,125

And I know people don't want to say

this to black men, but I say this shit.

: 1521

01:05:06,175 --> 01:05:06,945

You owe us.

: 1522

01:05:08,404 --> 01:05:08,995

You owe us.

: 1523

01:05:09,535 --> 01:05:15,185

70 percent of us been raising your babies

for over 25 years by our damn selves.

: 1524

01:05:15,975 --> 01:05:16,825

You owe us.

: 1525

01:05:17,154 --> 01:05:21,675

So no, you don't get to partner with

the white man because he has a penis.

: 1526

01:05:22,340 --> 01:05:23,520

You don't get to do that.

: 1527

01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:24,230

No, you don't.

: 1528

01:05:24,529 --> 01:05:27,630

You don't get to pretend like the

most qualified candidate ever to

: 1529

01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:31,020

be in the, uh, to be running for

president has no qualifications.

: 1530

01:05:31,300 --> 01:05:34,140

You don't get to be mad because

she was a prosecutor when we didn't

: 1531

01:05:34,150 --> 01:05:37,830

have black prosecutors and most

prosecutors, 90 percent of prosecutors

: 1532

01:05:37,830 --> 01:05:40,710

are white men anyway, and half of

them are in Congress and you haven't

: 1533

01:05:40,710 --> 01:05:42,060

said anything to them about it.

: 1534

01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:48,420

You know, she was prosecuting crimes

against the environment and sexual crimes.

: 1535

01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:51,680

So if she put your cousin in jail,

which I see all the time online.

: 1536

01:05:52,190 --> 01:05:55,120

I'm sorry if your cousin is a rapist

or whatever, they need to be in jail.

: 1537

01:05:56,560 --> 01:05:59,190

All right, so I don't

know what the problem is.

: 1538

01:05:59,220 --> 01:06:02,600

All the stuff I just said in her

policies directly affect black men.

: 1539

01:06:02,610 --> 01:06:03,860

You are going to gain from it.

: 1540

01:06:04,300 --> 01:06:07,270

I haven't seen anything in his policies

other than the child care credit and

: 1541

01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:10,580

that's if you're taking care of your

child, which you better be doing,

: 1542

01:06:12,370 --> 01:06:13,840

that will affect you positively.

: 1543

01:06:14,029 --> 01:06:14,570

Not one thing.

: 1544

01:06:16,029 --> 01:06:16,480

Chris P. Reed: Great, great.

: 1545

01:06:16,510 --> 01:06:17,810

Dr. Nsenga Burton: So

that's, what I have to say.

: 1546

01:06:18,140 --> 01:06:19,450

You owe us, damn it.

: 1547

01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,170

You want to be our protectors?

: 1548

01:06:20,850 --> 01:06:21,550

And our providers?

: 1549

01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:24,340

Vote for us in this election.

: 1550

01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:26,359

That's it.

: 1551

01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:31,750

Chris P. Reed: Tell us how you really

feel, you know what I'm saying?

: 1552

01:06:31,750 --> 01:06:33,560

Yes, I

: 1553

01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:37,179

Dr. Nsenga Burton: got a black dad.

: 1554

01:06:37,180 --> 01:06:38,700

I had two black grandfathers too.

: 1555

01:06:39,805 --> 01:06:43,535

Chris P. Reed: I'll say this, uh,

on behalf of, of, of black men, um,

: 1556

01:06:44,404 --> 01:06:48,205

educate yourself, look at the policies,

look at all the things that we've

: 1557

01:06:48,235 --> 01:06:51,225

derived throughout this entire episode.

: 1558

01:06:51,695 --> 01:06:56,815

And then at the end, use the fact

that she is, you know, uh, uh, uh,

: 1559

01:06:56,875 --> 01:06:58,495

a black woman as a bonus point.

: 1560

01:06:58,625 --> 01:06:58,904

All right.

: 1561

01:06:58,915 --> 01:07:02,095

So because she'll win, if you just

look at those other things, like I

: 1562

01:07:02,095 --> 01:07:04,985

said, take out those three components

and just look at the stuff that

: 1563

01:07:05,005 --> 01:07:06,125

the meat, you know what I mean?

: 1564

01:07:06,404 --> 01:07:08,505

Then she'll win or she'll gain your favor.

: 1565

01:07:08,995 --> 01:07:11,105

But then if you add on what Dr.

: 1566

01:07:11,105 --> 01:07:14,904

Burton was saying, the fact that she's

a black woman, you know, queen of the

: 1567

01:07:14,965 --> 01:07:19,775

earth type situation, that should just

send you over the threshold, so to speak.

: 1568

01:07:19,805 --> 01:07:21,275

So just keep that in mind.

: 1569

01:07:21,335 --> 01:07:24,335

Tony Tidbit: So listen, I want to

get you guys, cause we're, so this

: 1570

01:07:24,345 --> 01:07:27,925

is, and we're going to keep rolling,

but this is really, really good.

: 1571

01:07:27,945 --> 01:07:29,755

But I just got to say something on this.

: 1572

01:07:30,135 --> 01:07:31,385

I do feel.

: 1573

01:07:31,735 --> 01:07:34,525

that it is a sexist thing.

: 1574

01:07:35,095 --> 01:07:38,585

I feel that those black,

it can't be a policy thing.

: 1575

01:07:38,585 --> 01:07:39,555

That makes no sense.

: 1576

01:07:39,915 --> 01:07:40,565

Okay.

: 1577

01:07:40,755 --> 01:07:44,375

And I remember, I don't know if

it was Obama or somebody spoke.

: 1578

01:07:44,805 --> 01:07:45,904

Uh, I think it is.

: 1579

01:07:45,904 --> 01:07:47,235

We're not, I'm not voting for her.

: 1580

01:07:47,715 --> 01:07:51,275

Because she's a woman, she's

this, and she's a black woman.

: 1581

01:07:51,295 --> 01:07:52,335

And these are from black men.

: 1582

01:07:52,365 --> 01:07:56,445

And again, I'm not speaking to them,

but this is my sense because it can't

: 1583

01:07:56,445 --> 01:07:58,135

be no, it can't be a policy issue.

: 1584

01:07:58,605 --> 01:07:59,975

Can't be all right.

: 1585

01:08:00,035 --> 01:08:03,435

And at the same time, it can't be

that they think that Trump, and

: 1586

01:08:03,435 --> 01:08:07,065

at the end of the day, we got you,

you, and let's be fair though, too.

: 1587

01:08:07,065 --> 01:08:08,615

And I hear everybody's policies.

: 1588

01:08:08,615 --> 01:08:09,665

I hear her policies.

: 1589

01:08:09,945 --> 01:08:12,810

You know, he, he may have some

policies, but at the day, You

: 1590

01:08:12,810 --> 01:08:14,440

know, you own your own destiny.

: 1591

01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:15,670

Okay.

: 1592

01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:21,250

Nobody sitting up in any political office

can control you or, or make you successful

: 1593

01:08:21,260 --> 01:08:23,290

or make you fail or make you a failure.

: 1594

01:08:23,580 --> 01:08:24,080

All right.

: 1595

01:08:24,180 --> 01:08:28,040

At the end of the day, you

have the ability to make,

: 1596

01:08:28,430 --> 01:08:30,359

to govern and run your life.

: 1597

01:08:30,450 --> 01:08:31,470

Let's be fair here.

: 1598

01:08:31,770 --> 01:08:33,630

You know, I don't care

who's been in power.

: 1599

01:08:34,029 --> 01:08:34,319

Right.

: 1600

01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:39,460

Since this country has been

indoctrinated in: 1776

: 1601

01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:42,809

color have had a challenge, regardless

if it was a Democrat or Republican.

: 1602

01:08:43,130 --> 01:08:43,649

Okay.

: 1603

01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:44,690

It didn't matter.

: 1604

01:08:45,090 --> 01:08:51,640

So my point is, is that for you to sit

back, if that's your case, and for you to

: 1605

01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:53,800

say, I'm not voting because she's a woman.

: 1606

01:08:54,330 --> 01:08:55,170

Okay.

: 1607

01:08:55,250 --> 01:08:56,760

Makes no sense.

: 1608

01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:57,920

Number one.

: 1609

01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,870

Number two, you would rather put

you give you a vote to some other

: 1610

01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:05,300

this other guy who I don't even

want to get into it because Dr.

: 1611

01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:07,580

Burton just went through his background.

: 1612

01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:09,620

How does he make you better?

: 1613

01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,720

That's what I want to understand, please.

: 1614

01:09:13,069 --> 01:09:16,700

So it has to be more of a

chauvinist type situation.

: 1615

01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:17,399

All right.

: 1616

01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:21,279

And black men, Have always, I want to

use this as, because I don't want to

: 1617

01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,760

say all, because it's not fair, but some

black men have had a, had a problem with

: 1618

01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,479

black women, strong black women, leading.

: 1619

01:09:29,635 --> 01:09:30,115

Okay.

: 1620

01:09:30,265 --> 01:09:31,885

And they don't want to say it.

: 1621

01:09:32,045 --> 01:09:34,175

They'll come up with a

million other reasons.

: 1622

01:09:34,475 --> 01:09:34,965

All right.

: 1623

01:09:34,975 --> 01:09:36,944

My mother was a strong black woman.

: 1624

01:09:37,175 --> 01:09:41,194

She always had tough relationships

with men because she would call them

: 1625

01:09:41,194 --> 01:09:44,635

out and hold them accountable because

they wasn't living up to their point

: 1626

01:09:44,635 --> 01:09:46,354

of what they were supposed to do.

: 1627

01:09:46,774 --> 01:09:47,385

Okay.

: 1628

01:09:47,495 --> 01:09:50,495

And so at the end of the

day, that's just my opinion.

: 1629

01:09:50,774 --> 01:09:51,315

Okay.

: 1630

01:09:51,375 --> 01:09:53,785

Some people, you like his policy better.

: 1631

01:09:53,785 --> 01:09:54,265

Okay.

: 1632

01:09:54,345 --> 01:09:57,155

Say that, but don't just make it about.

: 1633

01:09:57,495 --> 01:09:58,385

She's a woman.

: 1634

01:09:58,535 --> 01:09:59,025

All right.

: 1635

01:09:59,215 --> 01:10:02,184

We got to, I mean, we, we've

been, we've been going off.

: 1636

01:10:02,195 --> 01:10:06,095

So I want to get your, I want

to get you guys predictions,

: 1637

01:10:06,575 --> 01:10:07,845

who you think going to win.

: 1638

01:10:08,755 --> 01:10:13,105

And then I love to hear if who you

don't think going to win, what's

: 1639

01:10:13,105 --> 01:10:15,345

the implications for the country.

: 1640

01:10:16,975 --> 01:10:18,105

Chris, you go first, buddy.

: 1641

01:10:18,445 --> 01:10:18,809

Cool, no problem.

: 1642

01:10:18,809 --> 01:10:21,625

Yeah, yeah, because we'll be

another 30 minutes with Dr.

: 1643

01:10:21,625 --> 01:10:21,934

Burton.

: 1644

01:10:21,945 --> 01:10:22,345

You know what I'm saying?

: 1645

01:10:22,345 --> 01:10:23,600

No, no,

: 1646

01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:24,227

Chris P. Reed: no.

: 1647

01:10:24,227 --> 01:10:29,245

So the concept is this, um, without

any, any significant emotion

: 1648

01:10:29,245 --> 01:10:32,065

and just kind of using the old

adage, I just follow the money.

: 1649

01:10:32,295 --> 01:10:34,145

She raised a billion dollars, fam.

: 1650

01:10:34,145 --> 01:10:37,025

So, Let's just keep it

like I follow the money.

: 1651

01:10:37,075 --> 01:10:40,855

And so I believe that if you use

that old adage, she's going to win

: 1652

01:10:40,855 --> 01:10:42,715

because the money is behind her.

: 1653

01:10:43,015 --> 01:10:45,215

So, therefore, the

interest are behind her.

: 1654

01:10:45,215 --> 01:10:49,795

And and I do believe that people

have a good heart intrinsically.

: 1655

01:10:49,805 --> 01:10:54,455

So, think about it like this, and I'll say

this, the 1 thing is, there was no loss

: 1656

01:10:54,575 --> 01:11:01,055

of civility, and it was very encouraging

when the vice presidential debate landed.

: 1657

01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:07,680

All the news outlets were talking

ironically about how civil and

: 1658

01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:11,600

diplomatic the two gentlemen were

when they spoke to each other.

: 1659

01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:15,980

So the fact that we can still

identify it and recognize it is good.

: 1660

01:11:16,515 --> 01:11:20,415

When we thought that politics is just

muckraking and slanderous and, and,

: 1661

01:11:20,434 --> 01:11:23,765

and forgetting about the mute and

talking over people and talking down

: 1662

01:11:23,765 --> 01:11:25,745

to women and all of that type of stuff.

: 1663

01:11:25,995 --> 01:11:28,195

Now, we realize it don't

have to be like that.

: 1664

01:11:28,235 --> 01:11:33,434

And I think that that taste actually hurt

the campaign for the GOP, because they

: 1665

01:11:33,434 --> 01:11:39,395

realize some, even the outlets that rock

with them said that the civility of the

: 1666

01:11:39,395 --> 01:11:42,075

vice presidential campaign was refreshing.

: 1667

01:11:42,525 --> 01:11:47,010

So we're longing as a country For

some, some sense for some maturity.

: 1668

01:11:47,420 --> 01:11:50,230

And so I believe because

of that, she would win.

: 1669

01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:55,880

The implication as it relates to the

other party is he's currently figured

: 1670

01:11:55,880 --> 01:12:01,590

out how to fleece the people of

whatever he can when this don't happen.

: 1671

01:12:01,610 --> 01:12:03,720

And he's going to whiny baby this thing.

: 1672

01:12:03,970 --> 01:12:06,570

And he's going to tap into

the side of the people who.

: 1673

01:12:07,845 --> 01:12:11,934

inappropriately feel downtrodden or

disenfranchised, regardless of the

: 1674

01:12:11,945 --> 01:12:16,995

records and the census and all this

other thing, he's going to tap into the

: 1675

01:12:16,995 --> 01:12:22,175

base, primal, negative nature of his

constituents, of his people, and going

: 1676

01:12:22,175 --> 01:12:27,525

to try to figure out a genius way around

all of this, because that's what he does.

: 1677

01:12:27,525 --> 01:12:29,955

He has desire to be a lifelong dictator.

: 1678

01:12:30,045 --> 01:12:35,439

He ideal, he, You know, idealizes these,

um, these dictators, the Kim Jong Un's and

: 1679

01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:38,750

the Putin's, the people who win unanimous,

you know, the guy that's in Hungary.

: 1680

01:12:39,059 --> 01:12:41,390

He loves these guys because he feels like.

: 1681

01:12:41,775 --> 01:12:42,934

This too is possible.

: 1682

01:12:42,945 --> 01:12:43,825

These are his mentors.

: 1683

01:12:43,865 --> 01:12:46,675

These are the people that he

looks up to and he brings it out.

: 1684

01:12:47,265 --> 01:12:50,295

Unfortunately, in your

face in conversation.

: 1685

01:12:50,325 --> 01:12:50,575

Right?

: 1686

01:12:50,605 --> 01:12:54,375

And so I think that we need to brace

ourselves and prepare ourselves

: 1687

01:12:54,375 --> 01:12:58,105

for the, for the construct of him,

not winning, but the party and Dr.

: 1688

01:12:58,105 --> 01:13:01,645

Burton said this earlier, the

party is going to have a hard

: 1689

01:13:01,645 --> 01:13:04,545

time recovering from this.

: 1690

01:13:04,934 --> 01:13:07,145

You guys have to realize

there's been wigs.

: 1691

01:13:07,145 --> 01:13:08,005

There's been Federalist.

: 1692

01:13:08,015 --> 01:13:09,415

There's been so many different parties.

: 1693

01:13:09,885 --> 01:13:12,125

This party is not beyond reproach.

: 1694

01:13:12,434 --> 01:13:14,395

This party is not beyond reformation.

: 1695

01:13:14,395 --> 01:13:17,175

They called it the new

Republican party years ago.

: 1696

01:13:17,295 --> 01:13:20,625

Well, maybe they put a two news on

it this time, but it's going to have

: 1697

01:13:20,625 --> 01:13:24,195

to change is going to have to change

the way in which it does business.

: 1698

01:13:24,505 --> 01:13:25,595

But so are the Democrats.

: 1699

01:13:25,615 --> 01:13:28,265

They have to make sure that

they're prepared appropriately

: 1700

01:13:28,265 --> 01:13:30,065

with a candidate in the future.

: 1701

01:13:30,165 --> 01:13:33,515

We have to reform the way that we do

things because just throwing somebody

: 1702

01:13:33,515 --> 01:13:34,825

up there because they're famous.

: 1703

01:13:35,375 --> 01:13:36,995

It's not a reality TV show.

: 1704

01:13:37,135 --> 01:13:39,375

It's our lives and it's our

government and it's our future.

: 1705

01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:40,370

Tony Tidbit: All right, Dr.

: 1706

01:13:40,370 --> 01:13:41,460

Burton, keep it tight now.

: 1707

01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:42,140

Keep it tight.

: 1708

01:13:42,140 --> 01:13:44,479

Let me hear from you.

: 1709

01:13:44,480 --> 01:13:45,080

Thanks, Chris.

: 1710

01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:46,840

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Kamala in four hours.

: 1711

01:13:46,950 --> 01:13:51,500

Um, yeah, I think, uh, Kamala

is going to pull it out.

: 1712

01:13:51,620 --> 01:13:53,320

Vice President Harris

is going to pull it out.

: 1713

01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,160

She is the most qualified of the two.

: 1714

01:13:55,480 --> 01:13:57,380

We need a grown up in the room.

: 1715

01:13:58,100 --> 01:14:03,590

Um, and we need somebody to restore,

restore dignity and who isn't facing it.

: 1716

01:14:04,065 --> 01:14:08,535

All kinds of charges, you know, um,

even if the Supreme Court is going

: 1717

01:14:08,535 --> 01:14:12,515

to let him off the hook, you know,

um, we need to restore some dignity

: 1718

01:14:12,515 --> 01:14:15,684

to our office, um, of the presidency.

: 1719

01:14:15,745 --> 01:14:17,535

We need to get some stability.

: 1720

01:14:17,595 --> 01:14:22,885

I mean, it has been a frenzy, uh, since

Donald Trump came into national politics,

: 1721

01:14:23,335 --> 01:14:28,585

uh, and people, um, has really changed

the, not only the political landscape,

: 1722

01:14:28,595 --> 01:14:30,285

but really the landscape of this country.

: 1723

01:14:30,715 --> 01:14:32,115

Um, and that is powerful.

: 1724

01:14:32,125 --> 01:14:33,465

So that's why we can't under.

: 1725

01:14:33,945 --> 01:14:39,375

Um, value what that role is and how

it can impact and influence society.

: 1726

01:14:39,655 --> 01:14:42,735

But yes, I am hoping

it's not only the money.

: 1727

01:14:42,795 --> 01:14:44,445

I think that she is the most qualified.

: 1728

01:14:44,725 --> 01:14:47,095

I think the people who are hating on

her and saying they're not going to

: 1729

01:14:47,095 --> 01:14:49,305

vote for her because she's a woman

probably aren't going to vote anyway.

: 1730

01:14:50,065 --> 01:14:53,525

Um, Because I'm just, I don't

even know who those people, how

: 1731

01:14:53,525 --> 01:14:55,175

you can even say that in: 2024

: 1732

01:14:55,175 --> 01:14:55,514

Right,

: 1733

01:14:55,515 --> 01:14:55,934

Tony Tidbit: right.

: 1734

01:14:56,775 --> 01:14:59,395

Dr. Nsenga Burton: Wives and daughters

and mothers and aunts and stuff.

: 1735

01:14:59,425 --> 01:15:00,905

I just, I just don't know those people.

: 1736

01:15:01,355 --> 01:15:04,025

Um, but yeah, it's Kamala in: 2024

: 1737

01:15:04,265 --> 01:15:07,405

And, um, hopefully she'll have

the support that she needs, uh,

: 1738

01:15:07,434 --> 01:15:09,184

in order to succeed in the job.

: 1739

01:15:09,265 --> 01:15:11,825

And then we, you know, we got to get

to work on Congress so that she can

: 1740

01:15:11,825 --> 01:15:14,684

actually put some things in place

that could actually pass, right?

: 1741

01:15:14,985 --> 01:15:16,065

Tony Tidbit: Right, right.

: 1742

01:15:16,715 --> 01:15:17,895

Guys, I want to thank you.

: 1743

01:15:17,895 --> 01:15:19,125

You guys have been awesome.

: 1744

01:15:19,135 --> 01:15:21,815

This has been a lot of

fun, very educational.

: 1745

01:15:22,145 --> 01:15:24,475

Um, I learned a lot from

listening to both of you guys.

: 1746

01:15:24,885 --> 01:15:27,075

Listen, you guys are plugging

in really, really tight.

: 1747

01:15:27,075 --> 01:15:28,005

So I want to thank you.

: 1748

01:15:28,285 --> 01:15:30,475

You know, I want to leave

just a final thought.

: 1749

01:15:30,595 --> 01:15:35,405

Um, you know, look, obviously our

platform is for having, um, people come

: 1750

01:15:35,405 --> 01:15:37,445

on, share their stories to educate.

: 1751

01:15:37,835 --> 01:15:38,745

the mainstream.

: 1752

01:15:38,745 --> 01:15:43,595

And it's very important that we did this,

this episode on a presidential election

: 1753

01:15:43,985 --> 01:15:47,955

because at the end of the day, and I know

I said earlier about regardless of who's

: 1754

01:15:47,975 --> 01:15:52,335

in power or who's sitting in that seat,

you still have the ability to go out

: 1755

01:15:52,335 --> 01:15:54,365

and do your thing or not do your thing.

: 1756

01:15:54,365 --> 01:15:54,755

Right.

: 1757

01:15:55,184 --> 01:15:58,325

However, all that being said,

this is an important election.

: 1758

01:15:58,985 --> 01:16:01,265

Um, and you heard it from Dr.

: 1759

01:16:01,265 --> 01:16:02,055

Burton and Chris P.

: 1760

01:16:02,075 --> 01:16:02,395

Reed.

: 1761

01:16:02,755 --> 01:16:05,535

You know, this is either moving

forward or moving backwards.

: 1762

01:16:05,915 --> 01:16:06,565

Okay.

: 1763

01:16:06,905 --> 01:16:10,915

And I, I had no problem on

telling you guys today that I

: 1764

01:16:10,915 --> 01:16:12,565

will not vote for Donald Trump.

: 1765

01:16:12,875 --> 01:16:13,425

All right.

: 1766

01:16:13,745 --> 01:16:15,675

And at the end of the

day, let me tell you why.

: 1767

01:16:15,845 --> 01:16:16,565

Real simple.

: 1768

01:16:16,895 --> 01:16:17,285

Okay.

: 1769

01:16:17,285 --> 01:16:19,845

So mostly you don't know, but

I am a registered Republican.

: 1770

01:16:19,845 --> 01:16:22,184

I've been a registered

Republican since: 1990

: 1771

01:16:22,805 --> 01:16:23,385

Okay.

: 1772

01:16:23,505 --> 01:16:26,055

I voted for the father Bush.

: 1773

01:16:26,365 --> 01:16:26,805

Okay.

: 1774

01:16:26,845 --> 01:16:27,835

I voted for Clinton.

: 1775

01:16:28,445 --> 01:16:30,235

Then I voted for the son Bush.

: 1776

01:16:30,675 --> 01:16:31,105

Okay.

: 1777

01:16:31,155 --> 01:16:32,225

I voted for Obama.

: 1778

01:16:32,225 --> 01:16:32,314

Okay.

: 1779

01:16:32,815 --> 01:16:33,455

Alright?

: 1780

01:16:33,555 --> 01:16:35,905

So at the end of the

day, I voted for Clinton.

: 1781

01:16:36,105 --> 01:16:39,915

At the end of the day, I

believe in certain things, okay?

: 1782

01:16:40,085 --> 01:16:43,715

But at the end of the day, to

have somebody who has done what

: 1783

01:16:43,725 --> 01:16:45,665

he has done to this country.

: 1784

01:16:46,765 --> 01:16:50,995

from the time that he started

running, who's been so divisive.

: 1785

01:16:51,225 --> 01:16:55,715

A president is about bringing people

together, regardless if you look,

: 1786

01:16:55,745 --> 01:16:57,195

there's people that became president.

: 1787

01:16:57,195 --> 01:16:57,845

I ain't like them.

: 1788

01:16:58,155 --> 01:16:58,575

Right.

: 1789

01:16:58,635 --> 01:17:00,965

But at the end of the day,

they're the president.

: 1790

01:17:01,505 --> 01:17:02,155

Okay.

: 1791

01:17:02,215 --> 01:17:04,505

And that's how you supposed

to look at this office.

: 1792

01:17:04,705 --> 01:17:07,025

And they held themselves all right.

: 1793

01:17:07,035 --> 01:17:10,315

To a certain decorum, because as Dr.

: 1794

01:17:10,315 --> 01:17:14,415

Burton said, this is the most

powerful office on the planet.

: 1795

01:17:14,765 --> 01:17:19,905

And what we say or don't say

reverberates around the globe.

: 1796

01:17:20,725 --> 01:17:23,975

Okay, and you cannot take that lightly.

: 1797

01:17:24,434 --> 01:17:25,855

Okay, it's very important.

: 1798

01:17:26,165 --> 01:17:30,915

And I have a man that tried to,

and Chris, we did Wilmington's lie.

: 1799

01:17:31,135 --> 01:17:31,445

Dr.

: 1800

01:17:31,445 --> 01:17:35,535

Burton, you came on and we did

a reckoning of Wilmington's lie.

: 1801

01:17:35,895 --> 01:17:39,275

We cannot, we talked about

what happened in: 1898

: 1802

01:17:39,835 --> 01:17:43,815

And this was almost a

mirror of that in: 2020

: 1803

01:17:44,235 --> 01:17:44,775

Okay.

: 1804

01:17:45,015 --> 01:17:47,635

On the insurrection on January 6th.

: 1805

01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:49,100

I'm sorry.

: 1806

01:17:49,420 --> 01:17:53,670

I would never vote for

anybody that would do that.

: 1807

01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,309

All right, because they lost and

then tried to create civil war.

: 1808

01:17:59,030 --> 01:18:02,520

And you can throw in all the other

felonies and stuff of that nature.

: 1809

01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,270

But once you go to that

level, you ain't got my vote.

: 1810

01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:12,070

Because here's the thing, I know what

you will do if you get back into office.

: 1811

01:18:13,110 --> 01:18:14,750

It's not about the country.

: 1812

01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,020

It's about you.

: 1813

01:18:16,309 --> 01:18:21,290

And to what Chris P Reed said about being

a one to have dictator rule, dictatorship

: 1814

01:18:21,300 --> 01:18:23,040

rule and stuff to that nature.

: 1815

01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,730

And then how the Supreme court now

is given presidential immunity.

: 1816

01:18:26,930 --> 01:18:28,800

You wouldn't be able to stop this dude.

: 1817

01:18:28,970 --> 01:18:34,660

And we didn't even get a chance to talk

about once you come into power, the

: 1818

01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:38,725

people that you put around you, Okay.

: 1819

01:18:38,995 --> 01:18:43,775

Those people will now be putting

policies and it will be chaos.

: 1820

01:18:43,805 --> 01:18:44,665

It would be armed.

: 1821

01:18:44,845 --> 01:18:49,235

I mean, this country would take

a huge step back domestically

: 1822

01:18:49,575 --> 01:18:51,195

and internationally.

: 1823

01:18:52,245 --> 01:18:52,835

Okay.

: 1824

01:18:53,015 --> 01:18:54,405

Now let me say this too.

: 1825

01:18:54,835 --> 01:18:56,835

I wasn't a big Kamala Harris fan.

: 1826

01:18:56,934 --> 01:18:57,885

I'd be straight up.

: 1827

01:18:58,495 --> 01:18:59,045

Okay.

: 1828

01:18:59,065 --> 01:18:59,415

Flat out.

: 1829

01:18:59,465 --> 01:19:01,205

I didn't know a lot about Kamala.

: 1830

01:19:01,205 --> 01:19:05,995

And I remember when Biden made her his

vice president, I was like, okay, he's

: 1831

01:19:06,015 --> 01:19:07,125

probably getting them over the top.

: 1832

01:19:07,295 --> 01:19:09,635

But there was a couple other

people that I liked prior to that.

: 1833

01:19:09,815 --> 01:19:12,655

The, I forget her name, who

was the police commissioner or

: 1834

01:19:12,655 --> 01:19:13,785

the sheriff down in Florida.

: 1835

01:19:13,785 --> 01:19:14,545

I forget her name, whatever.

: 1836

01:19:14,565 --> 01:19:15,095

It doesn't matter.

: 1837

01:19:16,065 --> 01:19:20,145

All that what, yeah, you know, I'm

talking about all that being said.

: 1838

01:19:20,895 --> 01:19:21,605

Back to Dr.

: 1839

01:19:21,605 --> 01:19:26,035

Burton's point, when you

look at qualification, she's

: 1840

01:19:26,035 --> 01:19:27,225

qualified to be president.

: 1841

01:19:28,315 --> 01:19:31,155

You look at the policies

that she put in place.

: 1842

01:19:31,405 --> 01:19:34,585

Some of those, if she becomes president,

some of those become real, some of

: 1843

01:19:34,585 --> 01:19:37,535

those won't become real, but that would

be no different than any president.

: 1844

01:19:38,155 --> 01:19:38,745

Okay?

: 1845

01:19:39,065 --> 01:19:43,855

So at the end of the day, based on the

choices that we have, that's clear.

: 1846

01:19:44,830 --> 01:19:49,920

There's, in my opinion, there's

no other, this is me, this is Tony

: 1847

01:19:49,950 --> 01:19:54,900

Tidbit, there's nobody else I would

vote for, okay, but Kamala Harris.

: 1848

01:19:54,970 --> 01:20:03,040

Now my prediction, I don't know, okay, I

think it's going to be a toss up, right,

: 1849

01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,470

because here's the thing, there's one

of two things that's going to happen.

: 1850

01:20:07,210 --> 01:20:10,780

Either she wins in a landslide

because you can't believe it.

: 1851

01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:11,570

The polls.

: 1852

01:20:12,030 --> 01:20:12,620

Okay.

: 1853

01:20:12,650 --> 01:20:14,730

And we've seen that happen before, right?

: 1854

01:20:15,900 --> 01:20:19,520

Because going back to what you were

saying about time and, and Chris,

: 1855

01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,900

you were saying about there's a, and

the money, you know, so you can't

: 1856

01:20:22,900 --> 01:20:26,250

get caught up, but if it's not that,

then it's going to be a nail biter.

: 1857

01:20:27,650 --> 01:20:30,400

But I know where I'm going to

vote, and I'm telling our audience,

: 1858

01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,360

you vote for whoever you feel.

: 1859

01:20:32,559 --> 01:20:36,490

And yeah, this episode was

a little one sided, right?

: 1860

01:20:36,580 --> 01:20:37,360

But guess what?

: 1861

01:20:37,380 --> 01:20:38,340

This is what we believe.

: 1862

01:20:39,815 --> 01:20:40,975

You know, I didn't talk to Dr.

: 1863

01:20:40,975 --> 01:20:41,415

Burton.

: 1864

01:20:41,525 --> 01:20:42,525

I didn't talk to Chris B.

: 1865

01:20:42,525 --> 01:20:44,065

Reed prior to this episode.

: 1866

01:20:44,065 --> 01:20:45,655

We're just gonna come

on and talk about it.

: 1867

01:20:45,885 --> 01:20:46,595

And guess what?

: 1868

01:20:46,605 --> 01:20:48,255

We gave what we believe.

: 1869

01:20:48,434 --> 01:20:50,005

We gave our thought process.

: 1870

01:20:50,175 --> 01:20:50,895

And guess what?

: 1871

01:20:50,895 --> 01:20:51,975

We've done our homework.

: 1872

01:20:52,135 --> 01:20:55,605

And we're asking you to

do the exact same thing.

: 1873

01:20:56,225 --> 01:21:00,875

And at the end of the day, What if,

uh, if, if, if, if you flipping a

: 1874

01:21:00,875 --> 01:21:05,385

coin, but if you go out and vote,

that's really the most important.

: 1875

01:21:05,655 --> 01:21:10,585

The last thing I want to hear from

anybody is I didn't vote, right?

: 1876

01:21:10,775 --> 01:21:13,485

And if you didn't vote, you

ain't got nothing to say.

: 1877

01:21:13,665 --> 01:21:16,125

Don't even show up to that, but

you ain't got nothing to say.

: 1878

01:21:16,135 --> 01:21:17,295

You ain't got, you can't complain.

: 1879

01:21:17,485 --> 01:21:20,125

Can't do nothing because

this is your one day.

: 1880

01:21:20,180 --> 01:21:33,930

It's the most important thing that

you can do, and it's an important

: 1881

01:21:33,930 --> 01:21:36,420

thing for our democracy, right?

: 1882

01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,270

So, final thoughts, real tight.

: 1883

01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:40,980

Chris P. Reed: Okay.

: 1884

01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:41,720

I'll go first.

: 1885

01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,460

Go first, buddy.

: 1886

01:21:42,460 --> 01:21:43,610

I want her to finale.

: 1887

01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:43,940

Yeah, yeah.

: 1888

01:21:43,940 --> 01:21:45,570

And then we gotta, we gotta go, but go.

: 1889

01:21:45,580 --> 01:21:45,610

Cool.

: 1890

01:21:46,450 --> 01:21:49,680

So the situation is, um, we always

talk about, go out and do your

: 1891

01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:50,920

own research, your own homework.

: 1892

01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:55,540

I cannot back someone who

talks about my taxes, who's a

: 1893

01:21:55,540 --> 01:21:58,480

multimillionaire and pay 750 in taxes.

: 1894

01:21:58,730 --> 01:21:59,190

Look it up.

: 1895

01:21:59,440 --> 01:21:59,740

Okay.

: 1896

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That's number one.

: 1897

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You, and then people who don't have

my interest, don't have my vote.

: 1898

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Okay.

: 1899

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Real simple.

: 1900

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Um, and so not that she has all the

interest because even in the concept

: 1901

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of over 250, 000 all the brothers.

: 1902

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It's not worth the amount of money

you would gain there to sell yourself.

: 1903

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You know, that's right.

: 1904

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Okay, bro.

: 1905

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Okay.

: 1906

01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:20,030

So

: 1907

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Tony Tidbit: we know where you going.

: 1908

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And look, you can go

anywhere you want to go.

: 1909

01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:24,559

I ain't going to get mad at you.

: 1910

01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:28,090

But at the end of the day,

as long as you vote, Dr.

: 1911

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Burton, final thoughts.

: 1912

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Dr. Nsenga Burton: Yes.

: 1913

01:22:30,100 --> 01:22:33,440

Well, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention

Ukraine, all these people who want to

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01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:35,960

support Ukraine and vote for Donald Trump.

: 1915

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You cannot do both.

: 1916

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If he gets in, the money's

cut off to Ukraine period.

: 1917

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He's in.

: 1918

01:22:42,190 --> 01:22:45,160

He's already said it, read

the policy, read the website,

: 1919

01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:46,910

read, read, read the stuff.

: 1920

01:22:47,150 --> 01:22:52,070

Um, LGBTQ populations, um,

are under attack and losing

: 1921

01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:53,140

rights at the state level.

: 1922

01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,880

Um, and so, uh, we do need to have

someone in office who is attuned to

: 1923

01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,559

that and, um, comes from a place where

they have done that work before and

: 1924

01:23:01,570 --> 01:23:03,700

have had policies at the state level.

: 1925

01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,059

Um, and can enact those policies

to protect those populations as

: 1926

01:23:07,059 --> 01:23:09,809

well because they deserve civil

rights and protections as well.

: 1927

01:23:09,809 --> 01:23:10,950

Um, Um, Thank you.

: 1928

01:23:11,590 --> 01:23:15,640

I think that, um, you know, a lot of

times I say we vote with our dollars,

: 1929

01:23:15,700 --> 01:23:18,960

and I think we do when we buy products

and support certain businesses.

: 1930

01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,809

Uh, but this time I think you really have

to decide, um, just to bring it home.

: 1931

01:23:24,460 --> 01:23:27,940

Um, are you voting for the past

or are you voting for the future?

: 1932

01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,500

Like, what do you want

America to look like?

: 1933

01:23:30,500 --> 01:23:33,919

And what do you want the office

of the president to look like?

: 1934

01:23:34,690 --> 01:23:39,390

To look like to other people as

well, not only to you and to this

: 1935

01:23:39,390 --> 01:23:41,740

country, but to the rest of the world.

: 1936

01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,390

All right, so think about it

and definitely I'm with Tony.

: 1937

01:23:46,570 --> 01:23:48,580

I mean, I really believe vote.

: 1938

01:23:48,690 --> 01:23:51,360

You don't have to vote the way I

vote, but participate in the process

: 1939

01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:52,930

because I do not want to hear it.

: 1940

01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:57,210

If you did not vote, or if you voted

third party, knowing that they're

: 1941

01:23:57,210 --> 01:24:01,150

not even on most of the balance in

most of the states, if you waste your

: 1942

01:24:01,150 --> 01:24:02,850

vote in that way, do not talk to me.

: 1943

01:24:03,855 --> 01:24:07,550

We, we cannot be friends, , but vote.

: 1944

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Vote.

: 1945

01:24:08,570 --> 01:24:09,860

Tony Tidbit: But vote but vote.

: 1946

01:24:09,860 --> 01:24:10,730

Thank you, Dr.

: 1947

01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:11,434

Dr.

: 1948

01:24:11,434 --> 01:24:12,809

Burton and Chris P.

: 1949

01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:13,130

Reed.

: 1950

01:24:13,130 --> 01:24:13,760

Thank you.

: 1951

01:24:14,180 --> 01:24:16,490

So I think it's now time for what?

: 1952

01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:18,050

Tony's tidbit.

: 1953

01:24:18,050 --> 01:24:18,440

All right.

: 1954

01:24:18,440 --> 01:24:21,260

So the tidbit today is this democracy.

: 1955

01:24:21,470 --> 01:24:24,860

Democracy thrives when

informed minds engage.

: 1956

01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,010

Make your voice heard.

: 1957

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Make your vote count.

: 1958

01:24:29,650 --> 01:24:31,250

And you heard that today from Dr.

: 1959

01:24:31,250 --> 01:24:32,640

Nsenga Burton and Chris P.

: 1960

01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:33,030

Reed.

: 1961

01:24:34,615 --> 01:24:37,815

Chris P. Reed: So obviously at this

point in time, I would be remiss.

: 1962

01:24:37,925 --> 01:24:38,635

Absolutely.

: 1963

01:24:38,635 --> 01:24:42,595

If I did not remind you to tune in to

the weekly segment, need to know what

: 1964

01:24:42,655 --> 01:24:48,895

the singer, where you have the powerful,

magnanimous, uh, beautiful, wonderful Dr.

: 1965

01:24:48,895 --> 01:24:52,575

Nsenga Burton, uh, represent a

black executive perspective podcast,

: 1966

01:24:52,595 --> 01:24:56,335

where she dives into crucial and

critical topics of all shapes and

: 1967

01:24:56,335 --> 01:24:59,495

sizes that help our community and

our world become a better place.

: 1968

01:24:59,735 --> 01:25:00,755

Sometimes it's political.

: 1969

01:25:00,765 --> 01:25:03,195

Sometimes it's, it's, uh, educational.

: 1970

01:25:03,450 --> 01:25:07,000

Sometimes it's social, sometimes it's

spiritual, but she's always bringing

: 1971

01:25:07,010 --> 01:25:12,280

this energy that you've seen today on

steroids in a bite sized compact way so

: 1972

01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,950

you can take it with you and you can share

it all week with whomever you run into.

: 1973

01:25:15,950 --> 01:25:17,540

So please do not miss that.

: 1974

01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:18,650

It's a wonderful resource.

: 1975

01:25:19,330 --> 01:25:20,340

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

: 1976

01:25:20,440 --> 01:25:22,760

If you never checked out

Need to Know with Dr.

: 1977

01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,920

Nsenga, you just got a version

of it right here on this episode.

: 1978

01:25:27,150 --> 01:25:29,650

So every Thursday,

definitely check her out.

: 1979

01:25:29,650 --> 01:25:35,150

So I hope you enjoyed today's episode,

Decision: 2024

: 1980

01:25:35,150 --> 01:25:37,809

Election with Insight and Expertise.

: 1981

01:25:38,610 --> 01:25:41,160

Chris P. Reed: All right, so at this

point in time, we definitely want to

: 1982

01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:44,780

make sure that you understand that

we are always trying to decrease,

: 1983

01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:48,620

decrease discrimination wherever

we can, and we do that with our

: 1984

01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:50,740

call to action, which is less L.

: 1985

01:25:50,770 --> 01:25:50,980

E.

: 1986

01:25:51,030 --> 01:25:51,290

S.

: 1987

01:25:51,350 --> 01:25:51,660

S.

: 1988

01:25:52,030 --> 01:25:53,400

That L is learn.

: 1989

01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:57,970

Educate yourself on racial and

cultural nuances so that you can feel

: 1990

01:25:57,970 --> 01:26:01,680

better about how you navigate this

world and understand other people.

: 1991

01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:02,640

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

: 1992

01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:05,690

And then after you learn

E stands for empathy.

: 1993

01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:08,750

Now you've learned about

your friends and colleagues.

: 1994

01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:12,980

So now you should be more empathetic

to what they go through because you

: 1995

01:26:13,070 --> 01:26:16,040

now can be able to walk in their shoes.

: 1996

01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:17,470

Dr. Nsenga Burton: S stands for share.

: 1997

01:26:18,055 --> 01:26:23,635

And that means to share information

with an informed information, factual

: 1998

01:26:23,635 --> 01:26:28,755

information, fact based information,

um, with people so that they understand

: 1999

01:26:28,755 --> 01:26:33,045

better understand not only the things

they're being educated about and the

: 2000

01:26:33,055 --> 01:26:34,495

things that they're having empathy about.

: 2001

01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,520

Um, but also so that they can pass

on the knowledge that they gained

: 2002

01:26:38,809 --> 01:26:40,320

from those other two categories.

: 2003

01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,040

Tony Tidbit: Absolutely.

: 2004

01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:42,320

Right.

: 2005

01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:43,970

And then the final S is stop.

: 2006

01:26:44,130 --> 01:26:47,180

We want to stop discrimination

as it walks in your path.

: 2007

01:26:47,420 --> 01:26:51,270

So if you at the Thanksgiving table and

grandma says something inappropriate,

: 2008

01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:56,320

you say, grandma, We don't believe

that we don't say that and you stop it.

: 2009

01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:56,750

Right?

: 2010

01:26:56,950 --> 01:27:02,230

So if everybody can incorporate

less L E S S we'll build a more

: 2011

01:27:02,230 --> 01:27:04,670

fair, more understanding world.

: 2012

01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:05,900

And guess what?

: 2013

01:27:06,150 --> 01:27:11,684

You'll be able to see the change that you

want to see because less will become more.

: 2014

01:27:13,175 --> 01:27:15,945

Chris P. Reed: We want to remind you

to tune into all of black executive

: 2015

01:27:15,945 --> 01:27:18,525

perspective, podcast and segments.

: 2016

01:27:18,865 --> 01:27:22,684

Look at some previous ones to catch

up to where we are now, but we

: 2017

01:27:22,765 --> 01:27:25,945

absolutely want to encourage you to

go to the website, sign up for the

: 2018

01:27:25,945 --> 01:27:29,525

newsletter, leave us reviews, subscribe

wherever you're listening to us.

: 2019

01:27:29,595 --> 01:27:33,815

Keep us informed so that way we can keep

you informed on things that matter to you.

: 2020

01:27:34,260 --> 01:27:36,040

And where can they find

us for these things, Tony?

: 2021

01:27:36,770 --> 01:27:37,130

Tony Tidbit: Thanks.

: 2022

01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:38,440

Excellent question, Chris.

: 2023

01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:42,010

So you can follow a Black Executive

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: 2024

01:27:42,010 --> 01:27:47,940

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: 2025

01:27:47,940 --> 01:27:50,150

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: 2026

01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:57,710

For my esteemed, fabulous, hyphenated,

Guess doctor, Nsenga Burton and

: 2027

01:27:57,710 --> 01:27:59,890

the co host with the most Chris P.

: 2028

01:27:59,890 --> 01:28:00,270

Reed.

: 2029

01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:01,970

I am Tony tidbit.

: 2030

01:28:02,190 --> 01:28:03,309

We talked about it.

: 2031

01:28:03,330 --> 01:28:05,760

We learned a lot about it today.

: 2032

01:28:06,040 --> 01:28:06,860

And guess what?

: 2033

01:28:06,860 --> 01:28:08,670

We love you and we're out

: 2034

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